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To: Coyoteman; Mad Dawg
Thanks for the poem.

FK: "The Bible says that those who do not believe go to hell."

There are other opinions: ...

There certainly are, and of course the trick is to discover which one is right. Every religion makes its case, I suppose, and God sorts it all out. For this reason I have no idea where the Indian is going. It's not for me to say, but only for God. All I can do is repeat verses like:

Acts 4:12 : Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

I believe this is true, but I have no idea on exactly how God implements this verse. So, it is not for me to declare any specific individual lost or saved.

Now, having said all this, I also do not believe that God is in the eye of the believer. There really is only one true God, and the Bible tells us that MANY will think they believe in the correct God but will be wrong, to their everlasting damnation. It's not fun, but that's the way the Christian God set it up.

5,361 posted on 09/04/2007 1:40:46 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; Coyoteman; Alamo-Girl
To FK and CM:

Roger and ditto to what FK says.

My attempt at a comment was intended to point out that in addition to the whole faith thing (faith in the sense of trust - fides qua creditur AND in the sense of "what is believed - fides quae creditur") was that the Christian hope is, in our humble opinion, more suited to what a human actually is, what he longs for, what will really satisfy the desires of his heart, what he is made for, etc. So I say again, while the romance of the noble savage (aka "the porr Indian") walking in a peaceful isle, his faithful dog beside him is lovely and beguiling, it does not - again IMHO - begin to be congruent with the true and deepest longing of the human heart.

It's like the whole 72 virgin thing: Like, what are we going to TALK about. Sooner or later you have to have a conversation, y'know? A Conversation? With 72 young ladies?

"Now listen ladies. Could you please stop giggling? We need to talk here. Anybody got an interesting topic? No, the latest style in burkhas is NOT an interesting topic."

Like that's going to happen.

To FK and AG:
As if God could be manipulated. Jeepers

Wait a minute! So you're saying the whole thing where I buy a lottery ticket and then sacrifice a chicken isn't going to work? Darn! I thought it was maybe because I should sacrifice the chicken and THEN buy the lottery ticket ....

Now what am I going to do with all these chickens?

5,365 posted on 09/04/2007 4:31:36 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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