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To: kosta50; D-fendr
D-fendr to FK: "What you think and say and do matters. Life matters. Life has meaning."

Kosta: "But that "meaning" is "meaningful" only insofar as it related to your experience, not as a universal concept."

YEAH, D-fendr ............ what Kosta said!!!! :) If it helps our discussion at all on free will, this is exactly how I am looking at it, experientially. Any time I say that we have free will concerning salvation, I mean it is meaningful because we experience "normal" free will. It is fully real for us, regardless of what is going on behind the scenes in God's reality. ...... No offense, Kosta, but yours was a very astute comment. :)

Life is actually the way it is, even if we don't like it, or even if we think it should be different. Tough!

Amen, ain't it the truth. :)

5,257 posted on 09/03/2007 8:40:12 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; kosta50
Any time I say that we have free will concerning salvation, I mean it is meaningful because we experience "normal" free will. It is fully real for us, regardless of what is going on behind the scenes in God's reality.

There's always hindsight, we never are totally aware of all factors and motivations. But if you're saying we can't trust our experience, that it's not real, but an illusion..

Then I can just as validly say: "Actually, FK, you experience your free will now as an illusion, as God's will, but that's just your 'experience' of it." And, of course we can't place any reality in that.

It might as well all be a dream.

Your position fails in a performance contradiction: Your experience proves you can't trust your experience.

5,264 posted on 09/03/2007 9:46:32 AM PDT by D-fendr
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