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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; hosepipe; D-fendr; MHGinTN; Elise; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; ...
What accounts, these? How do you conclude that because they didn't, that they couldn't?

By the same accounts as those concluding they could but wouldn't.

You are inventing their motives

So are you.

Wasn't the real point of healings to stir faith in the lost?

Did Christ abolish miracles? I don't think so.

"These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."  [Mark 16:16-18]

This He said after the Resurrection, so as far as I know He neither foretold nor ordained that miracles stop.

You are a believer. Do signs follow you? Do you heal the sick? Do you speak in tongues?

It just seems to me to be too coincidental by half that all of the supernatural powers that the men of the Church have claimed to receive by Apostolic succession just so happen to be all the unprovable ones

Like everything else religious. What proof do you have for anything you believe in other than what's hidden inside of you? Can you produce "signs?" Can you float in the air? can you heal the sick, raise the dead...? Do you have any proof that Christ lived and died and resurrected other than what you believe in your heart?

No, I assume that they did have the powers and kept them

That's right, it's an assumption. Why would they keep them when the Lord clearly told them that they will cast demons in His name...?

True Apostles, yes. They performed miracles, and then they died

No, Christ didn't say Apostles, but believers...by logic all believers died too since no one, but a handful of snake-carrying charismatics, claim to heal the sick, etc.

Paul was exactly correct. Those who claim to have the powers of the Apostles are FALSE apostles, masquerading

So, then you are saying the Pentecostals are masquerading? I can't disagree with that. :)

I couldn't base it on that because in today's times, no one, to my knowledge, can reliably heal

But Christ commissioned believers to do exactly that, in His name! You have yet to show me some reason why the Apostles stopped healing and why not only the apostolic successors but all the believers can't do it.

5,248 posted on 09/03/2007 6:53:38 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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What prevented Christ from doing many miracles in His home town?... Apply that to our current world.


5,258 posted on 09/03/2007 8:52:48 AM PDT by MHGinTN (You've had life support. Promote life support for those in the womb.)
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To: kosta50; Forest Keeper
Why would they keep them when the Lord clearly told them that they will cast demons in His name...? ..]

Religious lying demons are cast out daily from some..
Idolotrous lying demons are cast of others..
Even demons that are imposters of the Holy Spirit are cast out..

Some christian religion is wholly a pagan scam, a lie..
Some are POSSESSED from their youth by this/these DEMONS..
That entered them by catechesis..

5,262 posted on 09/03/2007 9:33:48 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; hosepipe; D-fendr; MHGinTN; Elise; Dr. Eckleburg; blue-duncan; P-Marlowe; ...
FK: "What accounts, these? How do you conclude that because they didn't, that they couldn't?"

By the same accounts as those concluding they could but wouldn't.

That's not correct. The Bible says that they could perform miracles. It never says that they lost that ability, which is what you are asserting. The burden is therefore on you to show that they no longer could. That they did not in some cases does not show at all that they could not, so you have not met the test. Because I did not drive to the store today does not mean that I can no longer drive.

Did Christ abolish miracles? I don't think so. [Mark 16:16-18]

That is unknown. One thing we do know, and the Mark passage supports, is that Christ NEVER said or implied that miracles could ever be performed by someone unworthy (whatever small percentage of the clergy is unworthy], yet you would say that they still count.

You are a believer. Do signs follow you? Do you heal the sick? Do you speak in tongues?

Hey, you can't use verses you have already dismissed as forgeries. :)

Why would they keep them when the Lord clearly told them that they will cast demons in His name...?

The verse says cast OUT demons. What's wrong with that?

But Christ commissioned believers to do exactly that, in His name! You have yet to show me some reason why the Apostles stopped healing and why not only the apostolic successors but all the believers can't do it.

The Bible never says they stopped healing, it only says they didn't in some situations. As I'm sure you would agree, the Bible does not tell us everything they did.

5,422 posted on 09/04/2007 10:34:44 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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