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To: MarkBsnr
If God gave us free will, then we are hardly thwarting His will. We have no power over God, but we have power over our actions.

But that would mean that His will was to NOT be in control. It would mean that His will was that man would do whatever he wants, and God would accept any outcome. That would be a horrifying result to me. Talk about inmates running the asylum. :)

If we are controlled, we have no free will.

And if WE are in control, then God does not care, or does not love us as we love our own children.

If you care about your children, do you control their every moment?

YES! :) That is, for every moment that I have the power and their lives are on the line. For example, when they were toddlers and we were around a public pool, I never took my eyes off them for a moment, and told them whenever they did anything I didn't like. I made sure it was impossible for them to get into the water without my knowing it instantly. I was in full "control", but they did not fully understand it.

It is a fact that there are people who reject God.

I think most people do permanently, and all do initially.

5,138 posted on 09/01/2007 8:50:10 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper

God knows the outcome. He is outside Time and has known since before Time began.

I think that where we differ on this matter is what God specifically controls. You look after your children (as I do mine) with much control at first as they mature from relatively noisy, animate and smelly blobs through the motile animal stage and into adulthood, pulling back as they acquire the skills to be able to survive adulthood and eventually to start the cycle once again.

But you do not go in and control every single wave of their limbs; you do not regulate the hormones and enzymes; you do not control the heartbeat; you do not control the motion and direction of the eyes; you do not control the hair follicles.

There is a difference between protection from the elements and dangers and in programmed robot.


5,379 posted on 09/04/2007 6:50:28 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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