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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; wmfights; Dr. Eckleburg
At least we blame the Israelites. According to the Reformed theology, God was the cause of their error, because He is in control. After all, we are only doing what God wills, right?

We blame the Israelites too because we are accountable for our sins. God was NOT the cause of their error in the sense that He injected specific sin into the hearts of some where that sin was not before. He doesn't have the sin to fill the hypodermic needle. However, He was still in full control and DID ordain their sin. To accomplish the ordination all He had to do was to leave them alone to their own devices, which He says He does several times in scripture, all the time knowing the results (e.g. Rom. 1:24, 26, 28.)

5,137 posted on 09/01/2007 7:42:32 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; wmfights; Dr. Eckleburg
We blame the Israelites too because we are accountable for our sins. God was NOT the cause of their error in the sense that He injected specific sin into the hearts

Oh, boy, but He is rumored to have hardened specific people's hearts. That's not exactly Him sitting on the sidelines and cheering.

To accomplish the ordination all He had to do was to leave them alone to their own devices, which He says He does several times in scripture, all the time knowing the results (e.g. Rom. 1:24, 26, 28.)

That means He is standing on the sidelines knowing what our choices will be. This is not consistent with your previous statements, including the one above. The question is: did He put those choices in our heads or not? If you answer "yes" then He is the one doing the good and the evil.

5,155 posted on 09/01/2007 2:43:43 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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