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To: wmfights; Alamo-Girl; Cronos; hosepipe; MarkBsnr; Mad Dawg; betty boop; annalex; jo kus
Do [Latins] believe that the Holy Spirit will leave the believer if they don't do specific things?

The answer is unquestionably "YES". I have discussed this with very reputable Catholic Freepers, and it is also the only logical conclusion if one holds to the view that salvation can be had, but then lost during life, for any reason, and then regained. The Holy Spirit will not reside or abide in the body of a lost soul, at the time. That would be a "serving two masters" dilemma, and we know that doesn't work.

One example would be failing to confess and be absolved from a mortal sin. In that case the Catholic view is that the Holy Spirit must leave until that situation is rectified. While I of course strongly disagree with Catholics on whether salvation can be lost, I will say that this view is at least internally consistent, given the stated parameters.

4,664 posted on 08/27/2007 7:52:41 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper
[.. One example would be failing to confess and be absolved from a mortal sin. In that case the Catholic view is that the Holy Spirit must leave until that situation is rectified. ..]

So then, Roman catholics believe the Holy Spirit is a mere "force" under the direction of the Roman Catholic heirarchy.. an employee..

That might be heresy and an unforgiveable sin.. pity, if true..

4,665 posted on 08/27/2007 8:08:15 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Forest Keeper

A go-fer...


4,666 posted on 08/27/2007 8:12:23 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole....)
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To: Forest Keeper
Do [Latins] believe that the Holy Spirit will leave the believer if they don't do specific things?

The answer is unquestionably "YES". I have discussed this with very reputable Catholic Freepers, and it is also the only logical conclusion if one holds to the view that salvation can be had, but then lost during life, for any reason, and then regained. The Holy Spirit will not reside or abide in the body of a lost soul, at the time. That would be a "serving two masters" dilemma, and we know that doesn't work.

I think I need to correct this. I think it would be better to say that the Holy Spirit's presence within us, His effect, (a spiritual being's presence is noted by their effects, according to most theologians) diminishes to nil IF the "believer" DOES do specific things, namely, those listed in 1 Cor 6:9-10 or Galatians 5. It is possible that the man become "dead" spiritually, because the life of Christ is no longer there, as 1 John states. We become spiritually dead. The Scriptures in Galatians notes the difference between the Spirit-influenced person and the one who is influenced by the flesh. Whether the Spirit actually vacates permanently the person, that's different. IF the Spirit actually left forever, then that person could NEVER repent!!! I don't see God giving up on us and returning to the fold (remember the shepherd parables?). The fact that a sinner CAN repent is proof that the Holy Spirit does not "vacate" entirely those whom He wills.

I hope this clarifies your response.

Regards

4,909 posted on 08/30/2007 5:53:55 AM PDT by jo kus
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