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To: adiaireton8; Dr. Eckleburg
“But Scripture tells us the Holy Spirit is given to each believer, personally.”

It also says He, the Holy Spirit, baptizes believers into the body of Christ, not the professional clergy. the only scripturally baptism that incorporates believers into the body of Christ, His church, is the baptism of the Holy Spirit, not one by man’s hands. Water baptism is just a symbol of what has already taken place; an identification with the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord and was performed by non ordained people in the New Testament church. Apollos was converted by the teaching of Priscilla and Aquilla, neither one ordained and there is no evidence that Apollos was baptized or ordained yet he ministered in Ephesus and Corinth. Paul said he was not sent to baptize and only mentions a few converts in Corinth, but he mentions that there was a faction loyal to Apollos there.

1Cr 12:12,”For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.”

1Cr 12:27, “Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.”

That is the only mention in the scriptures of being baptized into the body of Christ, His church, and it is not made by hands but by the Holy Spirit.

275 posted on 07/23/2007 5:51:11 PM PDT by blue-duncan
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To: blue-duncan

what did the Holy Spirit mention it insufficient times for you?


278 posted on 07/23/2007 6:53:27 PM PDT by kawaii (Orthodox Christianity -- Proclaiming the Truth Since 33 A.D.)
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To: blue-duncan
It also says He, the Holy Spirit, baptizes believers into the body of Christ, not the professional clergy.

Where does it say "not the clergy"? It doesn't. You are working with a false dichotomy. If the Holy Spirit does something then, apparently in your mind, no human could have also being doing it. But when a priest baptizes a person, the priest is doing something, the Holy Spirit is doing something, Christ is doing something, and God the Father is doing something.

Water baptism is just a symbol of what has already taken place;

That's not what Scripture teaches. Nor is that what the fathers taught. Nor is that what the Nicene Creed teaches. According to the Creed, "we acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins". If you want to know what the fathers and the Scriptures say about baptism and its relation to regeneration, see here. It looks nothing at all like Zwingli's gnosticism.

Apollos was converted by the teaching of Priscilla and Aquilla, neither one ordained and there is no evidence that Apollos was baptized or ordained yet he ministered in Ephesus and Corinth.

That's called the fallacy of the argument from silence.

That is the only mention in the scriptures of being baptized into the body of Christ, His church, and it is not made by hands but by the Holy Spirit.

So who immersed the person into the water? Did the Holy Spirit pick the person up and dunk him into the water?

-A8

363 posted on 07/23/2007 9:22:03 PM PDT by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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