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To: Missey_Lucy_Goosey; stfassisi

:::When are you going to provide dogmatic teaching from the early church fathers on the dogmas of the Assumption of Mary, the Immaculate Misconception, Roman papal primacy and Roman papal infallibility from the first 4 centuries of the church?

Oh, but you can’t, because it is not there, those are dogmas that Rome imposed that never existed.:::

When was the Bible amassed? When did the Holy Day get specified as Sunday rather than Saturday? When did the doctrine of the Trinity get established?

What makes the first four centuries special as opposed to anything that happened thereafter? You cannot pick and choose. Either you accept the Church’s positions on everything or you accept none of them. You are following some traditions of men and you are rejecting others; yet all of them were established entirely on exactly the same authority - that of the Church.

It’s gotta be heady, being your own pope.


11,055 posted on 11/15/2007 5:25:17 AM PST by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Missey_Lucy_Goosey; stfassisi
It seems Missey_Lucy_Goosey has been banned but I will post her question one more time:

":::When are you going to provide dogmatic teaching from the early church fathers on the dogmas of the Assumption of Mary, the Immaculate Misconception, Roman papal primacy and Roman papal infallibility from the first 4 centuries of the church?

What makes the first four centuries special as opposed to anything that happened thereafter?

Of course you can't find early Church Teaching because it doesn't exist. In some instances for nearly 2,000 years.

No Scripture? OK ignore that.

Early Church Fathers? Weeell not realy "early" but if you hunt enough you can find some magic words.

The Magisterium. That's it! These doctrines were revealed in the beginning but only recently understood.

See! MAGIC!

11,071 posted on 11/15/2007 10:59:00 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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