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To: kosta50
Maybe because the Bible tells us to "choose life?" (Deut 30:19, 2 Kin 18:32).

What man ought to do is not the same as what man can do. Fallen, arrogant man is responsible to a Sovereign God, as all is subject to and responsible to the Sovereign God. However, fallen man is in a state of spiritual blindness and death, indeed is born and lives his life on earth in open and continuous rebellion and rejection of God. God in His Providential Free Will exercises His Free Will to choose to give new life to those whom He Wills, which is exactly what the teaching of Christ and Apostolic teaching of Scripture clearly teaches. Where both the Romans and Greeks went astray was the acceptance of Aristotelian concepts of "free will", that ultimately makes man's will sovereign, and makes man responsible for his own salvation, whereby God looks down on man and rewards him for making the right decision, thus finding some inherent goodness in man that makes God reward him with heaven. God is telling us that we do have a say in our destiny. He offers us salvation. Ours is to accept it and give ourselves to Him.

Thus you are the ultimate cause of salvation.

11,001 posted on 11/14/2007 8:16:35 AM PST by Missey_Lucy_Goosey
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To: Missey_Lucy_Goosey
I don’t have much time to post this week due to busy schedule,however will you please answer the following question with a yes or no.

Do you believe that Cain is Adam’s biological son through intercourse with Eve? Yes or no?

11,010 posted on 11/14/2007 10:49:38 AM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: Missey_Lucy_Goosey
Where both the Romans and Greeks went astray was the acceptance of Aristotelian concepts of "free will", that ultimately makes man's will sovereign, and makes man responsible for his own salvation

The Church does not teach that we are reponsible for our own salvation. Only God saves us. We are responsible for our wickedness and perdition.

11,037 posted on 11/14/2007 6:26:25 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Missey_Lucy_Goosey
Kosta: God is telling us that we do have a say in our destiny. He offers us salvation. Ours is to accept it and give ourselves to Him

MLG: Thus you are the ultimate cause of salvation

Nope. God makes the offer. WE must either accept or reject His grace. You do admit that we can reject His grace, right? We can choose to stay wicked, right?

God gives us a choice. Come to Him and be saved, or reject Him and perish. Your formula is a partial God (the bible make sit very clear that God is impartial) who leaves us no choice. Believe what you want. The choices you make in life carry consequnces and the responsibility for those consequences are entirely yours. That inlcudes giving ourselves to God.

11,038 posted on 11/14/2007 6:31:45 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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