[Forest Keeper]

Prior to resurrection, the spirits are not located in spacial dimensions as we know them, so we speak of heaven in terms being in relationship with the Lord. After the resurrection, when our spirits are reunited with real, literal, material bodies prepared for eternity, immortal and in union with God and the saints, then heaven will be not only be relationship but also "place", as the Scriptures say; ...

I really don't have a firm understanding of these issues, so let me ask you why Heaven only becomes a place after we receive our glorified bodies? Even if a disembodied spirit is, shall we say, "massless", why would that preclude a Heaven that is a place? For example, what happened to the bodies of Enoch, Elijah, Moses(?), and resurrected Jesus?

[Missey_Lucy_Goosey]

Prior to resurrection, the spirits are not located in spacial dimensions as we know them, so we speak of heaven in terms being in relationship with the Lord. After the resurrection, when our spirits are reunited with real, literal, material bodies prepared for eternity, immortal and in union with God and the saints, then heaven will be not only be relationship but also "place", as the Scriptures say; ...

I really don't have a firm understanding of these issues, so let me ask you why Heaven only becomes a place after we receive our glorified bodies?

Well, terms like "place" are relative to this space/time continuum, and denote extension in spatial dimensions as we know them in the cosmos. Therefore, we and Scripture speak in terms of relationship, and not in spatial terms.

Even if a disembodied spirit is, shall we say, "massless", why would that preclude a Heaven that is a place?

I'm not neccessarily saying that it isn't. However, I'm relaying the terms that Scripture uses, and where Scripture is silent, I dare not shout.

For example, what happened to the bodies of Enoch, Elijah, Moses(?), and resurrected Jesus?

Moses died an earthly death. So, we can take Moses out of that list. As for the others, Scripture says they ascended into heaven, and no more. Where Scripture is silent, I prefer not to speak.