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To: irishtenor

Just FYI...

The “Demon Seed” thing did take up quite some discussion in the forum. I think it may have been on this thread. It’s been over a month I think, but it was discussed/debate. I *think* it was from some of the Messianic Jew followers.


10,751 posted on 11/07/2007 10:17:48 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

I’d never heard of it.


10,752 posted on 11/07/2007 10:55:19 PM PST by irishtenor (History was written before God said "Let there be light.")
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To: D-fendr
“”The “Demon Seed” thing did take up quite some discussion in the forum””

Posters Ping-Ping and Diego seem to hold this view as well.

Saint Irenaeus In Book 1 Chapter 30 writes about heretics with similar beliefs from the Doctrines of the Ophites and Sethians that arose out of the Valentinus school.

Here is an excerpt of what Irenaues writes about their beliefs...
from http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103130.htm

“”But their mother (Sophia) cunningly devised a scheme to seduce Eve and Adam, by means of the serpent, to transgress the command of Ialdabaoth. Eve listened to this as if it had proceeded from a son of God, and yielded an easy belief. She also persuaded Adam to eat of the tree regarding which God had said that they should not eat of it. They then declare that, on their thus eating, they attained to the knowledge of that power which is above all, and departed from those who had created them. When Prunicus perceived that the powers were thus baffled by their own creature, she greatly rejoiced, and again cried out, that since the father was incorruptible, he (Ialdabaoth) who formerly called himself the father was a liar; and that, while Anthropos and the first woman (the Spirit) existed previously, this one (Eve) sinned by committing adultery.””

I had a discussion with some of these Arnold Murray followers on a different discussion board,and I hit them hard with the writings of the Church Fathers, their only comeback was that the Church Fathers did not have modern “tools of knowledge”. By this they mean the Church fathers did not have Strongs Hebrew Concordance books. These people rely heavily on Strongs to try and support their beliefs.

I wish you a Blessed day!

10,765 posted on 11/08/2007 4:59:02 AM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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