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To: HarleyD
All people are born in a fallen, wicked state. God, by His grace and mercy, elects some people according to His divine purpose that has nothing to do with what we do.

All are born reprobate then? And then some elected?

I thought Calvinism taught the elect/reprobate were thus from birth?

10,700 posted on 11/07/2007 4:50:31 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

***I thought Calvinism taught the elect/reprobate were thus from birth?***

I think a little closer reading would show that Calvinists believe that those that are of the elect were chosen before the dawn of time, but that doesn’t mean that they are justified until God calls them. They are still reprobates and sinners until that happens. Only then are they reborn.


10,705 posted on 11/07/2007 5:05:47 PM PST by irishtenor (History was written before God said "Let there be light.")
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To: D-fendr
I thought Calvinism taught the elect/reprobate were thus from birth?

Man's name is written in the book of life before the foundations of the world. God's plan has been set forth. Is that what your talking about?

Man is not saved until God gives him faith and he repents, turning to God.

10,707 posted on 11/07/2007 5:08:19 PM PST by HarleyD (97% of all statistics are made up.)
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To: D-fendr; HarleyD
HD: All people are born in a fallen, wicked state. God, by His grace and mercy, elects some people according to His divine purpose that has nothing to do with what we do

D-fendr: All are born reprobate then? And then some elected?

That depends on who you are talking to D-fender. You have to remember that each Protestant is his/her own "church" or "pope" and makes up "theology" as one sees fit (and attributes it to the "indwelling spirit" and the mind of Christ no less).

Some Protestants will tell you that God created the reprobate and the saved from before foundations of the world and that each "elect" knows personally that he or she is saved. Others will tell you that one doesn't know for sure or that God selects some according to His divine purpose...which sort of trashes the whole idea of "before foundations of the world" formula.

The one thing they agree on is that God is the source of good and evil and call it "Christianity."

10,712 posted on 11/07/2007 5:20:28 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: D-fendr

:::All are born reprobate then? And then some elected?

I thought Calvinism taught the elect/reprobate were thus from birth?:::

Interesting point. I was under the same impression, as well.


10,798 posted on 11/08/2007 3:13:30 PM PST by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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