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To: Forest Keeper; D-fendr; kosta50; HarleyD

“Any message that can be transmitted orally can also be written down.”

That doesn’t necessarily follow at all, FK. The Faith is transmitted more than orally and in written form. It is transmitted by the forms of the Liturgies, iconography, architecture, chant, even things as simple as the Sign of the Cross or prostrations. It is precisely in these ways that the Roman Church preserved The Faith as well as it did, at least until Vatican II and hopefully will restore things on a go forward basis since the moto proprio. The Liturgy of the West, the Roman Mass, has carried the Faith for well over 1500 years.


10,689 posted on 11/07/2007 2:54:18 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis; Forest Keeper; kosta50

Yes, one cannot “read” the liturgy and the sacraments - the Church...


10,692 posted on 11/07/2007 3:43:17 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Kolokotronis; D-fendr; kosta50; HarleyD
FK: “Any message that can be transmitted orally can also be written down.”

That doesn’t necessarily follow at all, FK. The Faith is transmitted more than orally and in written form. It is transmitted by the forms of the Liturgies, iconography, architecture, chant, even things as simple as the Sign of the Cross or prostrations.

Well, I am not one to poo-poo faith experiences, but in virtually ALL cases, they are based on a pre-existing understanding through language, many times written language. None of the things you listed would have meaning were it not for prior language and understanding. IOW, in normal circumstances I don't think a faith can be built without language undergirding it.

10,758 posted on 11/08/2007 3:27:32 AM PST by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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