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To: Kolokotronis
If you did know that OR, you’d know that Trent was not an Ecumenical Council, now wouldn’t you. Or maybe you just forgot, eh?

I am well aware when the schism took place. I am well aware that you might not think the Council Of Trent was Ecumenical. Forget your smarmy remarks for a while and attempt to answer my original question.

" Approximately A. D. 90, the Jewish Council of Jamnia set the O.T. Canon. When is the earliest date you claim the Canon was set? Was it post Ressurection? Was it within 90 A.D.? Forget for the moment that the first Ecumenical Council which set your Canon was the Council Of Trent, 16th century!"

As for the earliest date Orthodoxy has for the setting of the canon of the OT, well that would be sometime between the first and third ceturies BC with the Septuagint, which, as you know, contains Sirach.

You don't have a date? Sometime between.....??? What kind of an answer is that? If you have no idea when it happened why not admit it?

Which version of the Septuagint are you using? How old/new is it? What books are contained in it?

Are there any Greek copies of the Septuagint written prior to the 4th century? Where? What?

10,529 posted on 11/06/2007 11:04:34 AM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian? Let me be perfectly clear. I know nothing.)
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To: OLD REGGIE; kosta50

Here’s the Canon of the OT which is current in Orthodoxy:

Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Numbers
Deuteronomy
Joshua
Judges
Ruth
1 Samuel
2 Samuel
1 Kings
2 Kings
1 Chronicles
2 Chronicles
[Prayer of Manasseh]
1 Esdras

Ezra
Nehemiah
Tobit
Judith
Esther (with insertions)
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees
[3 Maccabees]
[4 Maccabees]
Job
Psalms
[Psalm no. 151]
[Odes]
Proverbs
Ecclesiastes
Song of Songs
Wisdom of Solomon
Ecclesiasticus
[Psalms of Solomon]
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Lamentations
Baruch
Epistle of Jeremiah
Ezekiel
Daniel
Hosea
Joel
Amos
Obadiah
Jonah
Micah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi

I wouldn’t know if Unitarians read the Bible (the group near me uses a different “holy book” each week), or at least if they read it more than other religious writings, but assuming they and you do, you know that these various books were written at various times and also translated into the Greek Septuagint at various times, which is why I said 3rd-1st century BC. To the best of my knowledge there is no known copy earlier than about the 4th century AD though certainly its books are referred to before that.

You know, OR, technically speaking there is no official “bible” as such in Orthodoxy. There are simply the scriptures which are considered canonical and used in the Liturgies and devotions and services of The Church. For that reason, this sort of discussion, which gets Westerners so wound up and leads them to say such silly things as we’ve seen here, really has little or no meaning for Orthodox Christians.


10,531 posted on 11/06/2007 11:26:39 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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