[kosta50]

That is why I'm asking what the difference is between existing in a "state" with no location, and actually existing in torment in an actual place that takes up space in whatever dimension it's in

The Jews and Greeks believed that "Shoel" or "Hades" is a place below the surface of the earth (the "underworld"). Do you believe that hell is a "place" below the surface of the earth as the OT seems to imply?

[Forest Keeper]

FK: "That is why I'm asking what the difference is between existing in a "state" with no location, and actually existing in torment in an actual place that takes up space in whatever dimension it's in."

The Jews and Greeks believed that "Shoel" or "Hades" is a place below the surface of the earth (the "underworld"). Do you believe that hell is a "place" below the surface of the earth as the OT seems to imply?

No, I don't believe that hell is necessarily in a location that is observable within the three (or 4) dimensions of our experiential universe. Hell is not hiding behind Mars or something like that. I assume it is in an unobservable dimension to us, and that the same principles that allow God to be in all places at once, apply. IOW, there are real places that take up space, that we are incapable of perceiving while we live on earth. I put both Heaven and hell into that category.

BTW, I was surprised that you brought up Hades. Am I right in that the Orthodox consider Hades and hell to be completely different concepts? If so, then Hades is unrelated to our conversation, and it doesn't matter what the Jews or Greeks thought.