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To: MarkBsnr
Pray then speak of the heavenly prayer buckets toted about by the angels, if you would.

As I have already explained, thsoe angels in John's Book of the Revelation who take the prayers of the saints into the Throneroom of God do so as messengers, directed by God.

Where Rome makes it's fatal mistake is to twist that one example into a license to pray to angels, which takes a quantum leap to arrive at that conclusion. Not really, as is often the case, Rome begins with it's own concepts contrived by men and reads them back into passages such as you cited in Revelation where it does not exist, just as Rome did when contriving the "two swords doctrine", and a host of others.

I think that the self-identified Reformed Redeemed are going to need a very good defense attorney

Our Mediator is Christ, who we trust exclusively to have done everything neccessary for our Redemption upon the Cross to which we can add not one single thing, and Who clothes us in His Righteousness, as a Delightfully Robed Bride perfectly acceptable to the Father, not on account of any single thing we have done, but because of what Christ did on our behalf as our Kinsman Redeemer.

I suspect that that indwelling heartburn will turn out to be just that.

Au contraire, when Christ asks you: "Why should I allow YOU into My heaven?", and you say, "I trusted the pope, I did good works, I finshed the work you began on the Cross, I ate your real, actual flesh and drank your real, actual blood...", it will be sad indeed when you hear the words, "Wrong answer, away with you worker of iniquity, I never knew you."

Catholics do not practice necromancy

Sure Roman Catholics practice necromancy. Necromancy is the attempt to contact the spirits of those who have departed this space/time continuum, which is precisely what you do when praying to saints who have passed from this life.

There is really little excuse, with the immense archives and websites available for all, even the Paulines, to really dig in and truly understand Catholicism.

I do understand Roman Catholicism, which is precisely why I know it is apostate.

10,458 posted on 11/05/2007 3:42:49 PM PST by Missey_Lucy_Goosey
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To: Missey_Lucy_Goosey

So the Reformed need messengers to take their prayers to God? I thought that the Reformed sent their mechanically performed prayers directly to God through Jesus. I don’t see anything about that in Reformed doctrine anywhere - the direct method appears to be the preferred one. Is there a Catechism or other Reformed document that deals with this?

Rome’s fatal mistake? Only one? I guess that we haven’t been trying hard enough. The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church began with Jesus Christ and His instructions. We didn’t begin with a man or men. We began with the Messiah. It’s ironic that you call Catholic doctrine ‘twisting’ when every Protestant individual or group of individuals believes that they have licence to cherry pick individual unrelated verses, string them together, create ludicrous, ridiculous and often dangerous doctrine, hang out a shingle and tithe the rubes.

You speak as one of the self identified elect, who don’t have to worry about a thing. Isn’t it nice?

:::Our Mediator is Christ, who we trust exclusively to have done everything neccessary for our Redemption upon the Cross to which we can add not one single thing, and Who clothes us in His Righteousness, as a Delightfully Robed Bride perfectly acceptable to the Father, not on account of any single thing we have done, but because of what Christ did on our behalf as our Kinsman Redeemer.:::

When are you going to demonstrate your water walking abilities?

:::MB: I suspect that that indwelling heartburn will turn out to be just that.

MLG: Au contraire, when Christ asks you: “Why should I allow YOU into My heaven?”, and you say, “I trusted the pope, I did good works, I finshed the work you began on the Cross, I ate your real, actual flesh and drank your real, actual blood...”, it will be sad indeed when you hear the words, “Wrong answer, away with you worker of iniquity, I never knew you.”:::

Amazing. I can only find it amazing that after the excellent instruction that you have received by better Catholics than I on these boards that you would write these words that are so completely wrong. Are you in advertising, by the way?

:::I do understand Roman Catholicism, which is precisely why I know it is apostate.:::

You must be in advertising. I am unable to fathom any real understanding of the Church based, of course, what I have read of your posts. You admit that you do not do much of what Jesus has instructed us to do; you seem proud of it. Yet you would have God Judge you to have everlasting life in Heaven. That is quite a theology to which you subscribe.


10,785 posted on 11/08/2007 2:12:03 PM PST by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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