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To: stfassisi

I think you missed the intent of my post. The adoptive parent IS God. It is God who takes us when we are worthless, downtrodden, sinful, and washes us with the blood of the Lamb. Man by himself is totally depraved, with nothing worthy of God. It is only when we are adopted into the family of God do we find ourselves not only clean, but worthy of worshipping God. We can face God unafraid, because he has chosen us to be his children. Rejoice in that.

1 John says that God is love, and no one can love who does not have God. It is God who gives us the love to share with each other. He gives this love to his children. Those who are not his children do not get this love.

You are mistaken, I do believe in the total depravity of man, the same as Calvin did. And I also believe that it is God who saves his own from that depravity. Romans 1 spells it out very thoroughly. God gave them over to their lusts, he allowed it. Some he saved from those lusts. They (you and I and all those God saved) are freed from the ravages of lust, freed from the consequences of sin, freed from slavery to the nature of man.


10,399 posted on 11/04/2007 4:22:56 PM PST by irishtenor (How much good could a Hindu do, if a Hindu could do good?)
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To: irishtenor
“1 John says that God is love, and no one can love who does not have God. It is God who gives us the love to share with each other. He gives this love to his children. Those who are not his children do not get this love.”

Do you believe that God creates any person to NOT be His Children?
....Or do you believe that God creates and wills "all" of us to be His children? Another words...We have to freely accept God’s will, because we love God’s will, whatever God’s will may be for us-even if God's will for us is pain and the cross?

10,411 posted on 11/04/2007 5:18:49 PM PST by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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