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To: kosta50; HarleyD; Kolokotronis
When the Protestants say we are born "dead" they mean spiritually deprived of life.

Yes, dead "in sin", but not dead as to existence. When we are born we obviously have souls. Those souls never cease to exist, therefore, they are immortal.

The immortality of man was not "created" as his essence; it was attained from the tree of life; if we are immortal by nature, we would be God and we could not sin.

Then you have a special theological definition of the concept of immortality that is unknown to us. The Bible speaks of sinners going to hell for eternity tons of times. I have always considered it a basic Christian principle and had no idea that there were entire groups of Christians who disagreed with it, as you appear to.

The Jews believed that the afterlife was no different than the present life.

Is that what you believe?

10,389 posted on 11/04/2007 1:40:04 PM PST by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; HarleyD; Kolokotronis
Yes, dead "in sin", but not dead as to existence

You can exist and be dead. Stones exist too, FK. But we are not born dead; just "wounded" and sure to die unless we come to the Great Phyisican who can save us. Those who don't will be dead one day—does oblivion mean anything to you?

Then you have a special theological definition of the concept of immortality that is unknown to us

No, I don't, FK. Soul itself is not life. It must be given life. Therefore it has no life of its own.

I have always considered it a basic Christian principle and had no idea that there were entire groups of Christians who disagreed with it, as you appear to.

How do you think we feel seeing all these innovations for the past 500 years? I have already told that we do not believe in one and the same thing. We are not all in the same"club." The path to God is narrow and few shall find it. The broadband approach of relativistic Protestantism and various cults is a hit-and-miss approach, mostly left up to an individual to figure it out. Good luck!

10,405 posted on 11/04/2007 4:53:42 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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