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To: Kolokotronis; kosta50
Tertullian was a heretic and the Latins, as in other matters, are simply wrong. The quoted position is from the Middle Ages after Rome broke from the other Patriarchates. Rome picked up a lot of odd stuff after the Great Schism.

So Irenaesus and Tertullian are heretics for believing in the immortality of all souls??? Tertullian lived from 155-230AD. Irenaesus lived about the same time. And let's not forget the Apostle Creed of the 6th/7th century;

If memory serves me correctly the Orthodox were still part of the Church when all this was happening. The schism didn't take place until around 1000+ AD.

Did it ever occur to you that the eastern church fathers who gave you this material could have been the heretics?

10,371 posted on 11/03/2007 7:01:28 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; Kolokotronis
So Irenaesus and Tertullian are heretics for believing in the immortality of all souls???

First,  Irenaeus did not believe in, or teach the immortality of the soul by nature. The Orthodox teaching on this has never changed.

Second, Tertullian was a heretic because he embraced Montanism which teaches, among other thing, that the prophesies of the Montanists supercede those of the Apostles. I would call that a heresy, big time. You need to get your facts straight, HD.

What Kolokotronis told you is the Orthodox doctrine, always has been and always will be, because even the people you mention as believing in the so-called "immortality" of the soul (by nature) admit that it is not. Even Platonists in the early Church (i.e. Clement of Alexandria) admitted that the soul is not immortal by nature, but by grface.

The immortality of the soul is not its nature (i.e. it is not  created immortal) but it is given by God  (grace). If God created immortal souls then we would be God. You will just have to do a little more Church Fathers studying before you get the whole picture.

The problem with Tertullian and others on the Latin side (the root of St. Augustine's error, the fillioque error, etc.) is that their misconceptions always started with the poor understanding of Greek, and these, in turn, (mis)led to doctrinal errors.

10,376 posted on 11/04/2007 5:43:56 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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