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To: irishtenor

“”Sorry, I’m not following that. What do you mean?””

Perhaps this will help you?

Think of a child being totally depraved by his parents from birth to the age of say 14. Nothing this Child could ever do would ever please the parents.

Do you think this child would have any understanding of love at all? NO!

Now, apply this concept to God and man.

Total depravity makes no sense.

Yes,sin depraves us, and the more we sin the more depraved we will become.That is our own doing and that is not what God wants from us.

Christ came so that we may live life abundantly.
Not Totally Depraved!

“The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I am come that they may have life, and may have it more ABUNDANTLY.” (John 10:10)

I wish you a Blessed day!


10,342 posted on 11/03/2007 8:18:35 AM PDT by stfassisi ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"St Francis Assisi)
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To: stfassisi

The point of Total Depravity is that, until you are born again, until you have been washed with the blood of Jesus, you are totally depraved with no desire for God, no desire to please God, and with no ability to go to God. That is the total depravity of man in his natural state. In other words, there is no Holy good in him UNTIL he is born again.

Now, let’s take your scenario... a child, totally depraved by his parents, completely ignored by them. Now, suddenly, an adoptive parent takes him, cleans him up, loves him like no one ever has, takes care of him and let’s him live with the parent forever. That is the Lord with those he chose. We (and I am including you in this, because I can see in your nature that you love the Lord)having once been lost, wallowing in the mire of sin, have now been washed with the blood of the Lamb, adopted into the family of God, and will live with him, forever.


10,367 posted on 11/03/2007 3:21:40 PM PDT by irishtenor (How much good could a Hindu do, if a Hindu could do good?)
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