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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr; D-fendr; Kolokotronis; Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; blue-duncan; ...
God knows our needs and desires. Yet prayer is what He wants of us because it is a synergistic relationship that He wants from us. We receive Spirit, and we give our spirit to God.

"Synergy" from Answers.com: "1. The interaction of two or more agents or forces so that their combined effect is greater than the sum of their individual effects."

Each side contributes so that the result is greater than either side could have created on its own. Do you really think God fits into an arrangement like that? I think you believe God needs us to get what He wants much more than I ever suspected. :)

The trapped miners who died in September certainly hoped they would be rescued, yet it was their time to die, regardless of their prayer. For all we know, they may be in a much better and happier place now, but they did not want to die; they wanted to live and their prayers, and the prayers of their families and of the entire nation, indeed, resulted in their demise.

I was with you until the last line. :) How did the prayers of everyone RESULT in their demise? You acknowledged right away that it was their time to die. I agree. So, if no one had prayed, might they have survived?

Phil 4:19 : And my God will meet all your needs according to his glorious riches in Christ Jesus.

Tell that to the starving and persecuted Christians in Darfur.

Another disfavored Biblical verse is apparently declared wrong.

10,286 posted on 11/01/2007 9:22:26 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; MarkBsnr; D-fendr; Kolokotronis; Alamo-Girl; Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD; blue-duncan
"Synergy" from Answers.com: "1. The interaction of two or more agents or forces so that their combined effect is greater than the sum of their individual effects."

Why not go to the source and see how the Church defines this term (which is a Greek term and which was used by the Church in the same sense as today for 2000 years, which is eaons before Answers.com became the "norm").

The "combined effect is greater than the sum of their individual effects" aplies to man led by the Higher Power. Our synergy with God does not enhance God (LOL!) but man. Your out of context dictionary quote is a straw man, FK.

I agree. So, if no one had prayed, might they have survived?

No, but this proves my point that Calvinsits see prayer as an obligation which has no effect on anything.

How did the prayers of everyone RESULT in their demise?

They prayed for life and they received death. And your own quote from Phil 4:19 says "And my God will meet all your needs according to his glorious riches in Christ Jesus" suggests that they did not know their needs.

From this we can draw two possiblitieis: (1) the verse is not true but misinterpreted or (2) those who truly believe will not pray because we (robots) don't know what our needs are. Number 1 is very likely. Number 2 is Calvinism 101.

FK: Phil 4:19 : And my God will meet all your needs according to his glorious riches in Christ Jesus.

Kosta: Tell that to the starving and persecuted Christians in Darfur.

FK: Another disfavored Biblical verse is apparently declared wrong

Please prove it right in terms of "being fools for Christ" next time you see a starving child. If this life is so short of "glorious riches in Chrust Jesus" then why are all Calvinsits still around on this filthy earth, and why are they not hastening their departure? (David Koresh and Tom Jones alert!)

10,295 posted on 11/02/2007 5:18:29 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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