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To: MarkBsnr
:::Origen says nothing of the kind, not even close. Origne says that the angels and the “saints at rest” pray along with us, being the saints on earth.:::

Uh huh.

Again, that is not saying there is license to pray to angels. RCism reads that into it where it does not exist.

“Raphael himself, when explaining his angelic commission at God’s command to help them, says:

“Even now when you prayed, and Sarah your daughter-in-law, I brought the memorial of your prayer before the Holy One,” and shortly after, “I am Raphael, one of the Seven angels who present the prayers of saints and enter in before the glory of the Holy One.”

So Raphael catches prayers directly to God in some sort of heavenly bucket and then presents them to God? I thought that Jesus was the only intermediary in Reformed doctrine. This gets better and better.

You are confusing the role Christ stands in as the Intermediary as a defense attorney for the Redeemed, with those who offer intercessory prayer, and then twist the meanings for license to practice necromancy and the invoking of angels, both of which are forbidden by God.

10,265 posted on 11/01/2007 3:22:13 PM PDT by Missey_Lucy_Goosey
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To: Missey_Lucy_Goosey

:::MB: So Raphael catches prayers directly to God in some sort of heavenly bucket and then presents them to God? I thought that Jesus was the only intermediary in Reformed doctrine. This gets better and better.

MLG: You are confusing the role Christ stands in as the Intermediary as a defense attorney for the Redeemed, with those who offer intercessory prayer, and then twist the meanings for license to practice necromancy and the invoking of angels, both of which are forbidden by God.:::

Pray then speak of the heavenly prayer buckets toted about by the angels, if you would. I think that the self-identified Reformed Redeemed are going to need a very good defense attorney; I suspect that that indwelling heartburn will turn out to be just that.

Catholics do not practice necromancy any more than they practice cannibalism. There is really little excuse, with the immense archives and websites available for all, even the Paulines, to really dig in and truly understand Catholicism. ‘Tis a pity that your frantic hyperbole is the stereotypical sound and fury...


10,306 posted on 11/02/2007 9:47:23 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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