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To: jo kus
The Holy Spirit never 'fades away' He permanently indwells the believer, since the body of the Believer is now a temple.(1Cor.6) Where does the Bible say that the Spirit PERMANENTLY INDWELLS in someone from the very beginning of their acceptance of the Lord to their death on this earth and that He will NOT EVER leave? Paul writes to those who "have the Spirit permanently indwelling" to be careful with their dissensions, because THEY are destroying the Temple... "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God and [that] the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God shall destroy that one; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are. 1 Cor 3:16-17 Is God the Father going to destroy someone with the Spirit abiding in them? It seems that the Spirit's indwelling is partly conditional. It appears that GOD has the perogative to destroy those who defile the Temple (the Church, in this context, those who break it apart).

What is destroyed is the body.

The body is the Temple, which the Holy Spirit indwells.

The Holy Spirit seals the believer until the day of redemption (Eph.4:30).

The believer can 'grieve' or 'quench' the Holy Spirit,(relationship issues) but never lose the Holy Spirit, since the Holy Spirit Himself has placed His own seal upon the believer until that individual is redeemed.

See also Rom.8:38-39 and Jude 24-25 for the role of the Father and Son in eternal security of the believer as well.

[ It would be the RCC view of Righteousness that would have the individual's righteousness 'fading' if he did not partake of the Sacraments. ]

And the Scriptures, as well. We first receive our righteousness at Baptism, as Paul writes in Romans 6. The Eucharist is "our daily bread", necessary for eternal life, according to Jesus Himself. The sacraments are visible instruments that manifest our relationship with Christ.

No, there is nothing in any 'sacrament' that adds grace to the believer.

The Lord's supper is a remembrance of what the Lord did on the Cross, until He returns (1Cor.11)

10,083 posted on 10/29/2007 10:24:10 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (We must beat the Democrats or the country will be ruined! - Lincoln)
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To: fortheDeclaration
The believer can 'grieve' or 'quench' the Holy Spirit,(relationship issues) but never lose the Holy Spirit, since the Holy Spirit Himself has placed His own seal upon the believer until that individual is redeemed.

Amen!

"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" -- Philippians 1:6

10,085 posted on 10/29/2007 11:53:13 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: fortheDeclaration
What is destroyed is the body.

I disagree. Considering how Paul speaks here and throughout, destroying the body is of little consequence to him. What sort of threat would that be to a person causing hate and discontent within the community by telling them that they will die and now join Christ in heaven???

The Holy Spirit seals the believer until the day of redemption (Eph.4:30).

A seal is a mark, a "tatoo", something that says we are 'God's property'. It is not something that prevents you from falling away. Practically speaking, people who have been "sealed" have fallen away and are no longer Christian, so this reality proves that interpretation incorrect. Perhaps you should continue reading Ephesians, about 6 or 7 verses later...

The believer can 'grieve' or 'quench' the Holy Spirit,(relationship issues) but never lose the Holy Spirit, since the Holy Spirit Himself has placed His own seal upon the believer until that individual is redeemed

Scripture, please. This does not jive with real life, either. People who are family can disown each other and end their relationship.

See also Rom.8:38-39 and Jude 24-25 for the role of the Father and Son in eternal security of the believer as well.

I disagree with your interpretation. WE can fall away. Romans tells us that GOD will not abandon us, nor can anyone ELSE force us to leave God. WE can, though.

No, there is nothing in any 'sacrament' that adds grace to the believer.

Where is your evidence? Sorry, you are not authoritative enough in my mind to take you at your word when you make such declarations, especially without any proof or Scriptural evidence whatsoever...

Regards

10,088 posted on 10/30/2007 6:15:13 AM PDT by jo kus
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