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To: HarleyD

Precious, yes, but not too precious.

Only God is ultimately precious.


10,059 posted on 10/29/2007 11:39:35 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr; Frumanchu
I have only caught bits and pieces of this conversation, but I don't know of any Gnostic view of Calvin unless you wish to consider the Bible Gnostic. The Catholic Church, by your definition is steeped in "... a sort of esoteric pseudo-knowledge or mysticism derived from personal, direct spiritual experiences which they took to be Divine revelation." and you applaud it???? It's rather silly to be saying Calvinists are Gnostic when, in fact based upon your own definition, the Catholic Church illustrates gnostic tendencies and Zoroastrianism beliefs. And all you say is "Ho, hum."? Talk about weird conversations.

The problem you have is how can you determine that a person actually received "spiritual insight and revelation directly from the Holy Spirit"? While I think Calvin was a smart dude, I still like to check what he had to say against the scripture. You know the "trust but verify" bit.

Catholics don't have that luxury. Anything the Church says, goes. So, if the Church says the Virgin Mary *POPPED* in on three kids in a Spainish field, then you are compelled to say, "Haaaallelujah!!! Pass the taco sauce." The Catholic Church is literally littered with fake Saints that never were much of a Saint to begin with (St. Patrick or St. Francis comes to mind but there are many others) or out-and-out frauds. There is historical evidence to support this but, hey, since the Church is infallible and the Church can't be wrong then let's not mention this. Now you've added 400+ new saints to the queue to whom you can pray to who were martyred for their beliefs that people can pray to and receive divine intervention. Talk about Gnosticism. Pretty soon our Lord Jesus will be looking for a new spot.

Let's see; praying to dead people and having dead people talk to you. Not a very good theological position I would want to take.

10,061 posted on 10/29/2007 12:17:34 PM PDT by HarleyD
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