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To: MarkBsnr; Frumanchu; Alex Murphy; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan
Mark, Calvinists do not believe that they are saved because of their "nature." In fact, they believe their nature is totally depraved, and that it is despite their nature that they are saved. They believe their selection by God is based TOTALLY on His grace and based in absolutely zero part on their nature.

Likewise, I must agree with Frumanch that Calvinists do NOT believe they are "infused" with Christ's nature. As a a Protestant Christian I believe that we have an imputed righteousness, and never an infused righteousness. While various protestants disagree on many things, most do NOT disagree on that.

You continue to equate "once saved always saved" with "the perseverence of the saints." You are simply incorrect in thinking they are identical.

OSAS is a teaching that says you can do anything. POTS is a doctrine that says you will NOT do just about anything. It would be hard for 2 doctrines to be more different.

10,029 posted on 10/29/2007 7:02:25 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain. True support of the troops means praying for US to WIN the war!)
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To: xzins

The intent was to show that salvation under the Gnostics and under the Calvinists are remarkably similar.

The nature of God is superimposed on the Calvinists and therefore they are saved. They have indwelling secret knowledge that has no outward signs. The mechanism is a secret and mystical one. Similarity.

Now, what about the rest of the heresies? Is this merely a smokescreen that furious debate about terms comparing Gnostic to Calvinist practices will obscure and hopefully leave behind the further comparison of Calvinistic and other 1st millennium heretical practices?


10,047 posted on 10/29/2007 10:05:25 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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