Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
What other things do the non believers do?
And would you please explain to me the difference between non believer and non elect.
I have asked and asked and have not gotten an answer that I can understand about how God chastens an elect here on Earth.
Suppose that you summarize the difference between the outgoing and inward callings? I’m finding it tough sledding.
What other things? What are you talking about? If someone does the will of God, then he does. If not, then your failed philosophy of Calvinism kicks in and he does not.
Are we looking at the OT through OT eyes? Not through Gospel eyes? Oh boy. I thought that Jesus came to fulfill the Law.
The footnotes of my RSV reflect the same:
Regarding Romans 12:19... “The vindication of justice is God’s prerogative, not ours (Dt.32.35). We are neither wise enough nor good enough to punish our enemies justly.”
Regarding Romans 12:20... “To heap burning coals..., is to make the enemy feel ashamed by meeting his evil with good (Pr.25.21-22).”
Regarding Proverbs 25:21-22... “Heap coals of fire, i.e. torture is less effective than mercy, or the best way to take vengeance on one’s enemy is to be merciful to him (Rom.12.20; Mt.5.44-45).”
The interpretation I’ve been using here is from a book by David Dale entitled “Upon This Rock” (not to be confused with other titles of the same name). Unfortunately, I don’t have it handy as I mailed it to my grandfather. In fact, that’s how I ended up with a copy of “Manual of Reformed Doctrine” by Louis Berkhof, B.D.; we swapped. It’s probably anybody’s guess as to who got the better deal. :)
If a person assumes themselves to be a member of the elect, as some tend to do, then perhaps it's only "natural" to also assume that the enemy is reprobate. In which case, something reminiscent of fire and brimstone might seem like a "perfect" solution.
From the website of the Patriarchate.
“More than 350 years have elapsed since the first publication of the so-called «Lucarian Confession». Eminent historians, theologians and researchers have tried to clarify whether Lucaris was the actual author of the «Confession» attributed to him by the Calvinists. The Patriarch himself verbally denied it on several occasions and proclaimed his Orthodox faith with his attitude and in his letters. To the end, however, Cyril did not disavow the «Confession» in writing. Successive Synods of the Orthodox Church have condemned the «Confession» as heretical and alien to the Orthodox faith of the Fathers.”
Protestant relatives of mine have actually claimed the Heretics of the early church period in a desperate attempt to prove the Church wrong. Be very careful how you justify the false doctrines of the lawyer Calvin.
It's amusing how much you seem to be irritated by me, PM. You have no idea how much joy it gives me. Please continue with your snippets. :)
No one propsed censorship. The vomit was spilled and needed to be cleaned up. The Council of Jerusalem did just that. The Orthodox Church never stopped being Catholic and Apostolic simply because among its hierarchs there were some who were preaching devil's theology.
But then you can't murder him as he was already murdered
I never propsed murdeirng him. I have no control over his fate. I wasn't there. But those who sell their soul to the devil, as he did, have no life in them anyway, so I suppose the unrepentant heretic did not lose anything he didn't lose already.
I need to make sure I’m understanding what you mean here.
Are you saying God killed Christ?
If not, I’m sorry, I’m still not sure how your reply relates to my post.
I didn't think you believed in the devil.
So Calvinists have sold their souls to a devil you don't believe in, huh?
The Protestant mindset is founded on such presumptiveness. That's where it's appeal is: it elevates the ego, it nourishes self-rigtheousness, it sanctifies the sinner. It is tailor-made to human egotism, to the love of oneself; it is flattering that an ordinary person can now consider himself a "saint" with a "mind of Christ" and an "indwelling spirit." It is boastful and prideful and elitist to consider oneself the "elect."
It is truly a miracle that Protestant Reformation did not obliterate Christianity, but ended being self-limited because it is so close to human nature and so easy to embrace. It consumed certain number of people and then stopped. But that's been the case ever since Christ left. What we have now are only regurgitated heresies of the past.
Not when they actually have power.
Did any man possess that power?
The justification of murder by those claiming to be "true Christians" always serves as a good reminder of how lost they are.
Kosta have you, as an adult, acknowledged to GOD your sinful nature and asked JESUS to save you?
Obviously so. They crucified Him.
You, then, really are saying God killed Christ?
Did they kill him?
Did they have the power to take his life?
Could mere nails in the hands of sinful men kill the Incarnate God?
Think about your answer.
The wages of sin is death. Christ paid the price. He took upon himself the judgment of God for our sins.
Who executed that judgment? The Romans? The Jews? Or God Almighty?
The ancient Jews don't believe in the devil, PM. The idea of the devil is a latter-day occurrence in Judaism, influenced by Zoroastrianism and accepted by apocalyptic Jewish groups. The NT references to the devil come from "Apocrypha" which you Protestants reject.
I have unanswered questions regarding the devil. I think there is one in every one of us.
I see where you’re trying to go, but the contortion to get thiere is just so wrong.
“For God so loved the world that he killed his only begotten son.” ?
Honestly, doesn’t this sound like an atheist’s view?
Jesus went willingly to His Death.
And they killed Him.
That He could have done otherwise does not change this fact. Nor make His death suicide, nor make God the Father His Killer.
Are you in a judging mood tonight?
D-fendr, Protestant theology does teach that God demanded a sacrifice of divine nature to satisfy the "offended" divine pride! Bulls and rams couldn't come close. A human would, but not just any human—a perfect human! God kills God to satisfy His divine justice. Protestantism 101.
Imagine how important we must be if we can offend the almighty God!
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