Will the Pope's Pronouncement Set Ecumenism Back a Hundred Years? (Challenge to Apostolicity)

Progressive Theology ^ | July 07

[Dr. Eckleburg]

We humans are a clever bunch. We can even claim credit for not claiming credit.

That's not boasting in ourselves. That's boasting in the Lord.

There is a difference.

[Alamo-Girl]

Your testimony is like a mirror to me. What an epiphany!

Praise God!!!

[kosta50]

anybody today can go to a number of websites and look directly at the original [sic] text and it will show you the precise [sic] meaning of the text

Woooah! This is a whamy of the year! I dare say, you are sadly mistaken. For, there are no "originals" of anything biblical in human possession, and there is no such thing as "precise" meaning so many biblical refrences. For one, the rabbis added vowells, others added commas, yet others added whole verse and sections of the text, thus completely corrupting any pristine condition that may have existed oriignally. Why, in some cases we have more than one author by the same name (i.e. Isaiah, Daniel, etc.). But, burrying one's head in the sand is always an option when one wants to remain convinced the sun doesn't shine.

[kosta50]

Thye are still chunks.

[Alamo-Girl]

That's not boasting in ourselves. That's boasting in the Lord.

There is a difference.

Well and truly said.

I will praise thee, O Lord my God, with all my heart: and I will glorify thy name for evermore. - Psalms 86:12

Amen.

Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name ...

[MarkBsnr]

To the contrary, my dear sir, you have again ducked the question.

Your site provides 13 different online Bibles. I will ask once again: Which translation do you subscribe to and to what do you ascribe its inerrancy?

[D-fendr]

I became convince of the Reformed position based upon Augustine's writings… we don't need a Pope to tell us what it says.

In your case it seems: the Bishop of Hippo, yes; the Bishop of Rome, no. We all have our favorites..

[D-fendr]

You don't give humans enough credit: We can even boast about boasting in the Lord.

Like the deacon who, when asked what was his best attribute said, "My humility."

[wmfights]

Thanks for posting the link. I'm sure I will find it helpful.

BTW, your patience is admirable.

[HarleyD]

To the contrary, my dear sir, you have again ducked the question.

Ah, but if you were to go into any one of them you can see what the exact Greek or Hebrew translation is.

Which translation do you subscribe to and to what do you ascribe its inerrancy?

I personally find it remarkable that the Church who has taken the position that the scriptures are inerrant and infallible would have so many members who constantly say they don't know which document to believe.

[D-fendr]

They're just little mnemonics.

Oh ye of little faith..

[HarleyD]

It is given to those who are humble enough to freely accept it.

How can one accept faith? You either have faith or you don't.

Christ invited people to faith and conversion, but never coerced them.

This is wrong according to Augustine and Cyprian. Christ does not "invite" people to have faith. Faith comes from God.

[HarleyD]

I’ll take it upon myself to apologize to the great HarleyD that the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ on earth doesn’t meet your standards as to timetable or priorities. I’ll email BXVI and set him straight immediately.

No apology is necessary. However I would appreciate being cc'ed on that email. ;O)

[MarkBsnr]

I guess that you guys aren’t used to the hard questions. I know that it isn’t multiple choice, but please, give it a go.

[MarkBsnr]

:)

[HarleyD]

I wouldn't trust anything published by the Church of Christ. They don't have anything good to say about the Catholics either which I think you would take issue with. Now if you want to post the Church's position on predestination from a reliable Catholic source, I'd be happy to read it, but I already know what that position is; there isn't any.

The fact is the Church will not take a stand on predestination or election. So how on earth can a Catholic say Calvin (and Augustine) was wrong? The best you can do is simply shrug your shoulders and say, "Duh, I don't know. You might be right HarleyD."

[MarkBsnr]

As a matter of fact, the Encyclopedia has quite a lot to say on the matter. Why would you say that the Church has no position?

I posted a non Catholic source in order to see if it had more credibility than a Catholic one.

I shall go the New Advent in just a bit and pull the Church’s position out.

Mark

[HarleyD]

I've posted a link. If you were to pull a verse you can see how a number of versions have translated it. If you click on one of the tabs you can see the Greek/Hebrew text. You can even drill down for the meaning of the precise word. So why would I need a "translation" when I have these types of tools available that allows me to see precisely what is said?

If you wish to know which version I personally read from on a daily basis, quite honestly I have about three or four that I read from including the King James, the New American Standard, the New International, and one other one that my mind has went blank on. However, when someone brings up a particular passage I normally look to see how it is in the Greek/Hebrew.

Now if you wish to ask me which Greek/Hebrew versions I prefer, it's the same as Jerome.

Which do you prefer, the Doury-Rhiems or the American Standard Bible? Both are Catholic translations.

[HarleyD]

For, there are no "originals" of anything biblical in human possession, and there is no such thing as "precise" meaning so many biblical refrences.... But, burrying one's head in the sand is always an option when one wants to remain convinced the sun doesn't shine.

And yet the Church was in charge of keeping the written text. Sorry they failed in their job.

[HarleyD]

You mean here (Predestination)? I've read this. It assets man's free will. Sorry, this is unsubstantiated in scripture. Paul, Jeremiah, John the Baptist were all chosen before they were born. God doesn't make exceptions.