Will the Pope's Pronouncement Set Ecumenism Back a Hundred Years? (Challenge to Apostolicity)

Progressive Theology ^ | July 07

[D-fendr]

But again your answer contradicts Scripture.

I have no doubt that one can use scripture to "prove" that "God kills children, ergo there are no innocent children, else God would kill innocent children."

You're illustrating my point yet again. This plank is absolutely necessary for TULIP to be consistent.

Rather than continue this illustration, I'd prefer to move on to the trick of keeping God from being better off with a millstone around his neck...

[D-fendr]

Would having His Body and His Blood be a good start?

:0)

[kosta50]

I have a similar document from my heavenly Father sworn to by “He who cannot lie” and guaranteed by God Himself

And the Muslims say the same thing. They even die for their faith.

Am I supposed to believe them? I think I will believe the real witnesses, your doctor and your county clerk, and your DNA sample. I won't take your word for it because words are nothin'. If all you have are words, then you have nothin'.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Presbyterians do not believe in the error of baptismal regeneration espoused by the RCC and EO (I assume since you seem to preach it.)

Our children are gifts from God and as such, they are a part of His family, created by God from before the foundation of the world.

"For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call." -- Acts 2:39

Baptism is a sign and seal of His grace.

WESTMINSTER CONFESSION OF FAITH
Of Baptism

[wmfights]

But Apostle Paul's reference to "Hebrew language" is understood to mean Aramaic in this particular context.

Does your translation say Aramaic? My NKJV says Hebrew.

If you translation also says Hebrew and it is your church that says it really means Aramaic I would ask why your church would do that.

[kosta50]

Would having His Body and His Blood be a good start

It would be, but it may burn their throat...

[kosta50]

Our children are gifts from God and as such, they are a part of His family, created by God from before the foundation of the world

How do you know they are not 'reprobate' destined to hell?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

For a spectacular Calvinist movie, watch Eastwood's "Unforgiven." Note especially the epilogue.

All in all, a perfect movie.

Even "The Matrix" is a good film about the difference in men's perceptions of the world -- carnal or spiritual; in the matrix or liberated from it.

[wmfights]

VI. The efficacy of Baptism is not tied to that moment of time wherein it is administered;[16] yet, notwithstanding, by the right use of this ordinance, the grace promised is not only offered, but really exhibited, and conferred, by the Holy Ghost, to such (whether of age or infants) as that grace belongs unto, according to the counsel of God's own will, in His appointed time.[17]

In your church you make no claims of infusing the child being baptized with the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost will indwell the believer when they believe. In my Baptist Church we baptize after belief and repentance, but neither one of us is claiming the Holy Ghost is indwelling a nonbeliever.

[wmfights]

How do you know they are not 'reprobate' destined to hell?

I don't. All I can do is pray that the LORD makes them one of his own, train them, set an example, pray, pray and pray some more.

[kosta50]

Does your translation say Aramaic? My NKJV says Hebrew

That's what you get for reading KJV...it kees you misinformed because it is not onyl a bad translation, but its out of context. Maybe that's why the Protestants love it so much.

Read bible copmmentaries and discover the world. In reference to the Greek word Habrais used in Act 26:14: "Hebrew, the Hebrew language, not that however in which the OT was written but the Chaldee, which at the time of Jesus and the apostles had long superseded it in Palestine" [Blue Letter Bible, Crosswalk NT Greek]

"'Chaldee' or 'Chaldean Aramaic' used to be common terms for the Aramaic of the Chaldean dynasty of Babylonia. It was used to describe Biblical Aramaic, which was, however, written in a later style. It is not to be confused with the modern language Chaldean Neo-Aramaic." [Aramaic Language, Wikipedia]

[kosta50]

I don't. All I can do is pray that the LORD makes them one of his own,

What good is that going to do? Reformed theology says God predestined everything, so nothing you do or say or hope or believe will change the outcome.

[blue-duncan]

“If all you have are words, then you have nothin’.”

I know whom I have believed. What do you have that you base your salvation on if not words?

2 Tim. 1:12, “For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.”

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Have you ever heard of hallucinations? There are people who swear they have seen apparitions of Blessed Mary taking to them? Do you believe those?

If you read more of your Bible, Kosta, you'd know that apparitions of Mary are nowhere in God's word.

"Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us." -- 2 Timothy 1:13-14

Again, your argument is with Scripture.

[wmfights]

the Greek word Habrais used in Act 26:14: "Hebrew, the Hebrew language,

So even you translations say Hebrew. Why is it so important to claim it was written in Aramaic, or Greek, keep in mind the common practice is for people to write in the language they speak.

[wmfights]

What good is that going to do?

I take everything to the LORD. He is my ROCK.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Her letters reveal something you could have never known from the fruits of her labors.

Her letters reveal exactly who she was, as did her fruit which was to preach another Gospel.

If she had not preached another Gospel and if she had remained faithful to Jesus Christ and trusted His word, the doubts and misgivings and anxiety of the second half of her long life might well have been replaced by security and confidence...

"And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." -- Philippians 4:7

Her own words show us what she lacked.

[wmfights]

You never really answered my question. If I'm touching something you don't want to discuss I'll stop.

Have you ever gone off by yourself and prayed to our LORD asking him if you are one of his?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

That's reminds me of an interesting Hindu view I recall from another life. Have you ever read Alan Watts?

There are some interesting partial truths in the "Wisdom of Insecurity." Watts establishes the illness, but as usual for humanists, he gets the remedy all wrong.

Somehow I'm thinking we wouldn't be using the same terms here, but if we were, I'd say.. I could do better.

I don't understand your answer to the question: do you have the mind of Christ? You "could do better" than to have the mind of Christ?

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Incredible! I boast all the time that I am a child of my father and it is supported by the sworn testimony of the doctor and town clerk. I have a similar document from my heavenly Father sworn to by "He who cannot lie" and guaranteed by God Himself.

Me, too!!!

We must be related. 8~)