Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
The Great Commission is a commandment FK, not something left up to Southern Baptists to fit to their own taste.
Baptists see the water baptism as being symbolic of the already accomplished Spirit baptism
The two must go hand in hand, FK. He said teach all nations (so that they may believe), and baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.
This word baptize comes from the Greek word baptiso which, in Greek, means numerous immersions (as opposed to the word bapto, which is a single immersion).
To say that water salvation is not necessary is really to make up your own religion of sorts. Clearly teaching and baptizing is given as one complete package.
St. Paul concentrated on preaching more than baptism. But, then again, he was much more concerned with having Gentiles come to faith first, which was urgently necessary given the fact the Church was dying in Israel. Once they believed, baptism could follow. In those days, teaching was a priority, even life.
Let's consider the source...of course.
[.. Miller’s History is new “Revisionism” and is skewed and inaccurate, as opposed to Church history that is verifiable by sources within the Catholic Church..]
Actually its recovery from RC revisionism.. All/many of those groups that the Roman Catholic church persecuted retained vestiges of the history of the acts presented against them to be remembered.. The Roman Catholic catbox of history still stinks..
Miller’s Church History.. http://www.the-tribulation-network.com/ebooks/millers/toc.htm
Yes I do.
Now you want historical facts to get in the way...? :)
Not true thats why romance languages are true Patrois.. A mix of lingua franca(probably several dialects) and latin..
Then there’s no changing that number up or down.
If for example it were 922, then it wouldn’t be 921 or 923.
It is set.
Those 922 are the elect.
Purgatory and Holy Water are fictional..
The groups that are outside find a lot in common, just as the groups that are inside. That's natural.
Why not just take a look at the map.
Palestine, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, some of Iran, Turkey - most of Asia Minor, the entire north and much of the west coast of Africa, up the Nile to Ethiopia, and Spain and Portugal were all conquered by the Moslems.
In 1526, Suleiman conquered southern Hungary, from his bases in Bulgaria, and three years later sailed up the Danube, conquering as he went. He laid siege to Vienna and was beaten off by winter and a coalition of forces. As they left, they maximized damage to the city and to the countryside.
In 1683, Vienna was again besieged and it took the combined might of all the West to finally push the Moslmes out of Central Europe. You friendly neighbourhood Turks.
The NT is clear who will do the judging. Your question is a straw man.
Interesting.
My NAB John 5: says that
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Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life and will not come to condemnation, but has passed from death to life.
This, and several other passages are taken by the Church to mean that belief in Him is a requirement; however we do not read this as avoidance of Judgement, rather, however we are Judged, we shall gain eternal life as long as we do this, as well as several other things such as Baptism in the Holy Spirit.
We don’t look at this as a single one-off requirement, rather, as one of several that must all be fulfulled.
Any history that comes from the Roman Catholic church is already suspect.. Roman catholic clergy have a tendency to make things up.. Transubstantiation, assumption of Mary, indulgences.. like that.. The RCC has things fully as strange as Scientology.. I wouldn't say MORE strange but as strange..
Oh, I do.
But you are the willing tool of God that has passed it on. I am grateful that you did so.
Exactly, and depending on what we choose, and with what i>intent of our choice, is what He gives in return.
"I have heard your prayer, I have seen your tears; behold, I will add fifteen years to your life" [Isa 38:5]
So why does the Church think it has the authority to declare who the saints are?
St. John Chrysostom (5th century)
Would you be referring to Rev 7:
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1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, 2 holding back the four winds of the earth so that no wind could blow on land or sea or against any tree.
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Then I saw another angel come up from the East, 3 holding the seal of the living God. He cried out in a loud voice to the four angels who were given power to damage the land and the sea,
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“Do not damage the land or the sea or the trees until we put the seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
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I heard the number of those who had been marked with the seal, one hundred and forty-four thousand marked 4 from every tribe of the Israelites:
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twelve thousand were marked from the tribe of Judah, 5 twelve thousand from the tribe of Reuben, twelve thousand from the tribe of Gad,
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twelve thousand from the tribe of Asher, twelve thousand from the tribe of Naphtali, twelve thousand from the tribe of Manasseh,
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twelve thousand from the tribe of Simeon, twelve thousand from the tribe of Levi, twelve thousand from the tribe of Issachar,
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twelve thousand from the tribe of Zebulun, twelve thousand from the tribe of Joseph, and twelve thousand were marked from the tribe of Benjamin.
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After this I had a vision of a great multitude, which no one could count, from every nation, race, people, and tongue. They stood before the throne and before the Lamb, wearing white robes and holding palm branches 6 in their hands.
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They cried out in a loud voice: “Salvation comes from 7 our God, who is seated on the throne, and from the Lamb.”
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All the angels stood around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They prostrated themselves before the throne, worshiped God,
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and exclaimed: “Amen. Blessing and glory, wisdom and thanksgiving, honor, power, and might be to our God forever and ever. Amen.”
I think that it does not make a distinction between the 144,000 Jews and the multitudes without number inasmuch as they have had the seal applied. I think that the key here is - great multitude that no one could count from every nation, race, people and tongue. The vast majority of people upon the Earth.
Is this where you wished me to go?
It's not a judgment as to their innocence or guilt. Saints are extraordinary Christians, our role models and "spiritual heroes," whose life and faith are an inspiration for others.
I know you do. Therefore being born again doesn't seem to mean much to you.
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