Will the Pope's Pronouncement Set Ecumenism Back a Hundred Years? (Challenge to Apostolicity)

Progressive Theology ^ | July 07

[D-fendr]

God transcends time.

Yes, and is omniscient. My comments on "it's only prophecy to others (us)" was in reply to your post "Judas was created.. in order to fulfill prophesy.

You see my point here? It's man's view that God acts in order to fulfill a prophecy of that which - God foreknew...

It's a different view, yes?

Maybe it's not worth much, but.. Anyway.. thanks to you also for your considerate and thoughtful discussion.

[irishtenor]

God said “here’s what I’m going to do...” and then he does it. The prophesy... God tells us. The fulfillment... He does it.

[Cronos]

I didn't say he was not.. I said he was NOT a ROMAN catholic.. Paul and all the Apostles were NOT Roman catholics.. or Eastern Orthodox either.. They WERE JEWS... The only rites and ceremonys they observed (if any) were Jewish.. i.e. Galatians..

So, you want us to become Jewish?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you so very much for sharing your insights and for those beautiful passages!

[Alamo-Girl]

I thank God for you, dear sister in Christ!

To God be the glory!

[Cronos]

Cronos:[.. Hosepipe --> you've been indoctrinated to being anti-catholic, so much so that you can't see that Kosta is ORTHODOX, not LAtin Catholic. ..]

Hosepipe: You are WRONG.. I am well aware of that..

Ok, so you are aware that you've been indoctrinated to being anti-Church? And that all the literature you've quoted is primarily anti-Catholic "Protocols of Zion"?

[Cronos]

God chose Hebrew for the Torah.

Ok, so now you're saying that the entire Bible, OT and NT, was written in Hebrew?

[Alamo-Girl]

I share in your joy, dear brother in Christ! Thank you so very much for your testimony and insights!

Praise God!!!

[irishtenor]

No, she didn’t say that. Quit making up straw men.

[Alamo-Girl]

Indeed. Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

[Cronos]

The "elect" are only the 144000 martyrs from the first couple of centuries, everone else including you and me goes to heck. Where did you get that teaching?

That teaching is pure CAlVISNISM --> Your beliefs. You believe in "the elect". You believe in the limited nature of the elect, correct?

Taking it one step further, the "elect" are the pure martyrs from the early centuries, so the rest of us, since then, including you, Calvin, me etc etc. are all darned to heck by CAlvin's philosophy.

[irishtenor]

Another straw man. We believe nothing of the kind.

[Cronos]

Cronos: [.. and you're saying that the Jews were/are pagan or cultic? ..]

Hosepipe: Some of them.. the non christian ones.. After christ(Jesus).. absolutely.. What good are Levites with NO ARK of the Covenant.. no valid Holy Place.. and NO HOLY PLACE.. and NO HOLY ONE..

So, let me get this straight. You're saying that all Jews before Christ were pagans. You're also saying that all Jews who didn't convert to Christianity during the time of Christ are pagans. You're also saying that all Jews after Christ are pagans and part of a "cult"?

Is that what you're saying?

[P-Marlowe]

That teaching is pure CAlVISNISM -->

I trust that you do not know what you are talking about.

BTW I am not a CAlVISNIST.

[irishtenor]

***So, let me get this straight. You’re saying that all Jews before Christ were pagans. You’re also saying that all Jews who didn’t convert to Christianity during the time of Christ are pagans. You’re also saying that all Jews after Christ are pagans and part of a “cult”?***

Straw man. He didn’t say it.

[irishtenor]

You’re not a CAlVISNIST?

I used to CAIVIN, but quit shortly after the war :>)

[Alamo-Girl]

me: God chose Hebrew for the Torah.

you: Ok, so now you're saying that the entire Bible, OT and NT, was written in Hebrew?

LOLOL! If I meant to say that, I would have.

[Cronos]

There was no Roman Catholicism until Constantine forced all those pagans to become christians

Your history is wrong again. Constantine didn't force anyone to become Christian. He just no longer made it illegal to be Christian. No pagans were forcibly converted to Christianity under Constantine. And "priests" or "elders" were part of the Church from the earliest days, taking the traditions of Judaism.

[P-Marlowe]

We believe nothing of the kind.

Apparently he was talking about some group called the "CAlVISNISTS".

I'm not sure what they believe.

Maybe Cronos knows so much about them because he is one.

[Cronos]

A Cargo Cult..

Do you know what a Cargo cult is? And how those got started and where they're located?