Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
Do you believe that you wil answer for your sins before the Lamb of God?
Why would you pray?
Good question. Let me respond by quoting Romans 6. “But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the fruit you get leads to sanctification and its end, eternal life.”
I am free from the bonds of sin, and free from the wrath of God, because Jesus took it all away. When I stand before the throne, I will stand with Jesus at my side. My sanctification on earth will lead to eternal life.
My turn: Which of your sins did Jesus not pay for?
All of my sins were paid for at the Cross - past, present, future. Does that mean that I desire to sin because my Savior has already paid the price? NO. Why? Because the indwelling Holy Spirit molds my will to desire holiness.
Well the LDS IS WEIRD.. as are JW's, Scientology, a hundred other denominations, cults, sects, and ministrys's... and by the way the Roman Cathloic church is quite wierd itself..
Christians can BE wierd.. Jesus did'nt say don't be wierd.. Thats WHY most/many are.. Weird, of course, is perception.. Weirdness hangs with weirdness.. Conservative weirdness, liberal weirdness, and radical weirdness... The Jews, bless their heart, think ALL us christians are weird.. And to a certain extent they are correct..
I pray because Jesus commanded it.
I believe that I, as the prophets of old, in conjuction with Heavenly aid, can move God to my aid.
Our Father,
Who art in Heaven
Hallowed be thy Name
Thy Kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in Heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread
And forgive us our trespasses.
As we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
But deliver us from evil.
Amen.
If God has molded the universe in a static concrete mold, then prayers are of no avail since everything has been ordained and nothing is of effect. The Lord’s prayer means nothing either, since God, under Calvin’s rules, has already done whatever He will and nothing we do can make a difference.
He paid for all of them.
But I am still answerable for them. NAB Rev 20:
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Next I saw a large white throne and the one who was sitting on it. The earth and the sky fled from his presence and there was no place for them.
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I saw the dead, the great and the lowly, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. Then another scroll was opened, the book of life. The dead were judged according to their deeds, by what was written in the scrolls.
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The sea gave up its dead; then Death and Hades 11 gave up their dead. All the dead were judged according to their deeds.
We’re all going to have to pay a price for our deeds. Jesus made it possible for us to get to heaven. But when we are in front of the Lamb, we are Judged as to our deeds.
Then why do you desire to sin?
I’ll say “good night” for now but I would love to discuss this with you tomorrow. I need to spend some time on my knees before I hit the sack. Prayer time for a Calvinist is sweet because God loves us. Afterall, He chose us and asks us to come to Him.
My darling wife is getting impatient and I must away.
Thank you all for the discourse and may we, with God’s help and inspiration, take it up again when we can.
May God bless you all.
Mark
***We’re all going to have to pay a price for our deeds.***
Jesus paid the price. If we are found guilty on one sin, we will die and go to hell. We may suffer some consequences while on earth for the deeds we do, but there is nothing we can pay to get to heaven.
****The sea gave up its dead; then Death and Hades 11 gave up their dead. All the dead were judged according to their deeds.***
Where are the one who died in Christ? They are before the throne. It says that the sea, death and Hades give up the dead. The living are with Christ already. The dead are judged, not the living. They are already in heaven.
God Bless You brother!
All things are possible with the LORD.
I was pretty heavy handed with him, and not too happy with myself for being so.
True.. so to God it's not prophecy, only to us.
I believe, and I hope you do, too, that God transcends time. He is aware of the entire scope of our history. He has set in motion all the things necessary to accomplish his will.
By the way, I am enjoying our conversation, unlike others who want to make snide remarks and fabrications about my belief.
I really don't think so. Any "Christian" who revels in the persecution of other Christians really isn't serious about anything other than their exclusive club. Our Saviour could have made the new covenant anyway he wanted. He could have walked into the Temple and made himself the head of a hierarchy with all kinds of "traditions" and special rules with an elite that make all future determinations on what is "right thinking" and what isn't. JESUS didn't do that.
Jesus used a bunch of ignorant peasants from a backwater part of Israel and later brought in a persecutor who became persecuted. He eliminated all the complicated rules and regulations and made it simple.
John 6:47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
But then again what do I know? I am just an ignorant "robot" slave to my master. ;-)
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal!
Thank you. I hate to resort to that kind of thing, but my anger got the best of me. It’s been a tough month, with a couple of deaths in the congregation. Being an elder, I have some responsibilities with these, and that among other things has been weighing on me. Not an excuse, though. When Paul was in prison, he sang hymns, I resorted to trite comebacks.
Thank you, I am trying to make amends. I have apologized to the one who made me angry, and am of a contrite heart about my actions.
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