Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
I think you got the posts mixed up. It was Mark who said, "Does it really matter if it's 15 million or 50 (who were killed?)"
Post tenebras lux.
Twenty-five percent and growing, by the will of God...
Amen, Kitty Mittens!
Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin." -- Hebrews 10:14-18"For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Do they even read their Bibles?
We are judged by Christ's righteousness, and not by our own.
If you miss this, you've missed just about all of it.
Do you think that was a valid promise from God?
lol. Thank God for even small favors.
Ah, very true. We become new creatures in Christ, old things have passed away, all things become new. Christians have the physical Adamic nature but we have the spiritual nature of Christ since the Holy Spirit is sealed within us. Our old Adamic nature hopelessly wars against this new nature as God perfects us.
These are all fine examples, Hose, but they are not applicable. If your children turn out to be just unlike you and rejecti you, and accept someone else as their father, they are still your children but they are not yours, because they don't want you.
People have gone from believing to unbelieving, from faith to atheism. So, yes, one can be "unborn again."
And, a major difference between us and your analogy, is that we do not specifically create some children in order to disown them and intentionally send them to their deaths, as the Deformed theology teaches or implies.
;^)
[Psst... there are 2 I’s in Irishtenor!!]
Kitty Mittens: Amen, and yes, that is Very True that the Believer will be Judged for Rewards for Service
We are judged after death for everything we have done. Where does it say that it will be for rewards for service, and not for punishment as well? At the moment of death, you are either destined to hell or to heaven; the only judgment ever mentioned has to do with our deeds.
but his Salvation was Already Accomplished by our Christ upon the Cross
His Salvation of the World is that through His sacrifice He made it possible for everyone to be saved, provided we cleave to God and walk imitating Him, and not as Luther would have it, commit 1,000 murders a day knowing God has already forgiven us.
Yes, but by your definition that Protestants "are certain of their salvation because the Bible tells us if we have faith in Jesus Christ, we are among His children" includes all those cults for the same reason: faith in Jesus Christ.
Dr. E: Astounding. The fact you dismiss this core belief of Christianity positions yourself outside the church of God and contrary to God's word...again "For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." -- 1 Corinthians 6:20
And the Lord said "go, and from now on sin no more." (cf. John 8:11) Yes, He paid for our sins, but we are now obliged to sin no more. Without His sacrifice none had a chance to be saved. With His sacrifice the whole world has a chance to be saved.
For, as soon as He said "sin no more," He adds "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life." [ John 8:12 ]
Mark was making the comment because of the way the millions were being tossed around like some bingo chips, instead of human lives; what's a few million more or less, right?
So, the Protestants consder themselves "perfect?" Real "sainst," right?
No, KM said we were judged, and I am saying the Bible says we will be judged, unless some Protestants on this forum are already dead.
Context, contex, not cherry-picking!
Sure, as long as we want to be with Him. He won't keep those who don't want Him. Forced love is no love, Dr. E. Do you understand that?
Truly, as Dr. Eckleburg has shown, we are purchase of God - bought for a price. Here again is that beautiful passage she posted:
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. [Whereof] the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This [is] the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these [is, there is] no more offering for sin. – Hebrews 10:14-18
Our first treasure is the Light Himself Who brings forth His own fruit which counts for treasure to us.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men. – John 1:4
A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. – Matthew 12:35
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet [given]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)– John 7:38-39
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. – Galatians 5:22-23
And those whose names have not been blotted out (Revelation 3:5) will receive their reward – their treasure and crown.
Blessed [is] the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. – James 1:12
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go [and] sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come [and] follow me. – Matthew 19:21
And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold [water] only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward. – Matthew 10:42
Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. – 2 John 1:8
Amen. I have found this to be true. No matter what I have gone through, no matter if it is 'good' in my estimation or 'bad' God can use it not only in me, but in the life of someone He sends me to. I've been learning a great deal, btw, about not sitting in judgment on the law, but living it. I am so glad there is One Judge, and I ain't it (James 4:11-12). Quix spoke about confession, repentance, and forgiveness here recently. A-G, a long, long time ago, when you were hosting the Chambers thread, you and I had a discussion about forgiveness and reconciliation; do you recall? I'd never find the link now, I'm sure, but the basis of it was your trying to teach me something that I wasn't prepared to learn yet - in a Word, "That it is man's glory to overlook an offense" (Proverbs 19:11). I couldn't understand at the time how to accomplish that amazing feat: Christ is still growing in me. I've been through some experiences lately that have grown me up a bit more into Him - truly, He is slow to anger, gracious, full of compassion, and of great mercy (Psalm 145:8, Exodus 34:6, Joel 2:13, Jonah 4:2). He fully expects us to be perfect as He is perfect - not in ourselves, out of our imperfectness, but from His infinite Life to us in Christ.
I wish that happened all at once. I am comforted to know Paul's confession: "Not that I have already attained," and to be reminded that it is the one who "hungers and thirsts for righteousness" that is blessed. I rejoice that we can ask and keep on asking for Wisdom from Above and never exhaust the patience or the resources of Our Father.
How much better it is, as Jesus teaches, to not only let pass the strike of a man across my cheek, but to offer him the other to strike as well; to accept wrong, to let myself be cheated.
It is the devil I am to resist, not men. Oh, for more wisdom to know in every instance what this looks like! I begin in knowing how my Jesus has done it: By the Word, amen.
It is the humble heart, the generous eye, that pleases God and receives His blessing, while the arrogant are far from Him. How good it is to humble myself under His hand, to wait to be lifted up in His good time. I am learning that it is for me to live this, and by the living perhaps teach, for it is certainly not a lesson that mere words of man can impart, but only the Word and Spirit of the Living God as He grows within His Children, amen. Even the experience of having fallen and being picked up over and over again is some useful testimony to a fellow traveler on the road. What a mercy.
Perhaps it's the contrarian in me that always feels the need to add a tweaking to this understanding of "turning the other cheek." Indeed, as you say, we turn the other check because God alone is all men's judge and jury.
But we shouldn't miss the assurance spoken by Solomon in Proverbs and later repeated by Paul in Romans. This assurance points up the difference between His children and those who are lost. God's love is not the love of a universalist; it's the love of a particularist -- a specific, individual love that creates, nurtures, sustains, redeems and brings home, infallibly.
All others pay cash.
For thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee." -- Proverbs 25:21:22
"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good." -- Romans 12:19-21 "If thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink:
This is how much God loves us. That anyone who injures His children will know His wrath. Amazing, isn't it?
So we're not to assume we "overcome evil" in order to change that evil (although that can and does happen). But our purpose in overcoming evil is so that we remain apart from that evil in order to "prove the will of God"...
"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." -- Romans 12:2
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