Posted on 07/22/2007 7:40:38 PM PDT by xzins
You can exist and be dead, FK. Existence and death are not mutually exclusive. If you are created you exist. If you are given life you live. If you lose it, you still exist but you are no longer alive.
I am just following YOUR rule. You told me to look up heresy in the dictionary. I did. It states: an opinion contrary to generally accepted beliefs in any field. Since your opinions run contrary to the Protestant beliefs, you are, by definition, a heretic. Just like I am a heretic to you, as you so many times have called me and my beliefs.
When YOU call my beliefs HERESY, I respond by calling your beliefs heresy. If you can’t take it, quit calling people names.
You must believe that the Blessed Mother is unstained as well ,because God would not come into this world through an unstained creature.
I think we may be making progress,Dear Brother
Do you think you could fall in the future?
If so, will you blame God or yourself for being in hell if you fall? It is that simple.You have to blame yourself or God if you fall and wind up in hell
The reformers said nothing of the Orthodox.
“some we turned away for various reasons”
How do you know that these persons you turned away were not of Christ?
Did you Judge them on your own ,or by someone else’s opinion of them?
Should read... God would not come into this world through a “stained” creature
I never called you a heretic. Show me when and where I called you personally a heretic.
When YOU call my beliefs HERESY, I respond by calling your beliefs heresy
No, you called ME personally a heretic. That is against the rules. You can call Orthodoxy whatever you wish.
You are making your own rules.
RM, I will no longer repsond to this nonsense. I am turning this to you. Please deal with this individual who makes ad hominem remarks and insists he has the right to do so. Thank you.
Sorry, The Lords says “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”. It doesn’t say “all but Mary”, it says ALL. I have to go with what the Lord says. Mary was good, she was blessed, she is rightly honored, but she is still a sinner, needing salvation just like all the reast of us.
Do with me as you will, I stand by my comments. I have been putting up with him and his friends for over 10,000 posts. They denigrate me, my beliefs, and the beliefs of my church, and yet dare to call my beliefs heretical. I will not stand for it anymore without saying something.
As if you can call someone belief heresy WITHOUT calling him a heretic?
“The Lords says “all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God””
Do you think Adam and Eve were created to sin?
The Bible says that man was created in the image and likeness of God
Does the image and likeness of God contain sin to you?
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***Do you think you could fall in the future?
If so, will you blame God or yourself for being in hell if you fall? It is that simple.You have to blame yourself or God if you fall and wind up in hell***
Can I fall in the future? I do not believe so. Once I am Christ’s, I will be Christ’s forever. He says he will not lose one of his own. I believe that. Now, can I sin? Can I fail to obey? Yes, and I do. But I also claim God’s forgiveness. How many of my sins did Jesus die for? The answer is “all of them.” Those in the past, those I do today, and those I will do. All of them.
If I do end up in hell, it will be because God wanted it. But it will be my fault.
“Now, can I sin? Can I fail to obey? Yes, and I do.”
Why does God have to accept this sin? because you say you’re saved?
Don’t you think your making your own decision that you’re saved?
Again, I have to go to the Bible. God created everything, agreed? He created everything for a purpose, agreed? Then why did he create that tree and plant it in the Garden? It was his plan all along. All part of HIS perfect plan. The Bible does say that God created man in the image and likeness of God, but it doesn’t say that God created man AS God. Man is a creation, nothing more, nothing less.
“Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect. “(Matt 5:28)
The Bible does not say that man can redeem himself or be a God. We are to humble ourselves to follow the will of God and embrace His will for us
Good night,Dear Brother.I have to get up early in the morning and travel for work .
I wish you a Blessed Evening!
***Why does God have to accept this sin? because you say you’re saved?
Don’t you think your making your own decision that you’re saved***
God said he forgives or sin because of the work of Jesus. My sins have been paid for by the blood of the Lamb.
Did I make my own decision to be saved? No way. Man, in his sin nature is dead. Man in this condition cannot please God, and has no desire to please God. God is the one who gives the faith, God is the one who changes a man. God is the one who saves. It is nothing by man, all by God.
OK, this confirms my original hypothesis. You only consider mortality as regards destination. But if so, then this raises another issue. :) At what point does a mortal soul become immortal? All I know is that you have said it is "by grace" which we must accept. This appears to raise a problem since I think it is the Orthodox view that the vast majority of the saved do not reach theosis during physical life. If that is true, and the immortal soul is determined by accepting grace, then when does this happen? Can a person' mortal soul be transformed into an immortal soul, only to revert back again to a mortal soul?
The Bible also says this....
“Be you therefore perfect, as also your heavenly Father is perfect. “(Matt 5:28)
Not to be Holier than thou... It’s Matthew 5:48 :>) The other verse had something to do with adultery.
The Bible does not say that man can redeem himself or be a God. We are to humble ourselves to follow the will of God and embrace His will for us
I agree. That is part of the being perfect. Something we will never attain until God calls us home. But we can work at it :>)
Not to be Holier than thou... It’s Matthew 5:48 :>) The other verse had something to do with adultery.
Good night to you, also. May God richly bless you and your endevours.
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