Global warming is the only true religion, cleverly combining
hell, fire and damnation with unlimited wasteful spending on
Democratic consultants and other leftist control freaks. /sarc.
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Posted on 07/10/2007 6:55:28 PM PDT by indcons
Pope Benedict XVI declared yesterday that Christian denominations other than his own were not true churches and their holy orders have no value.
Protestant leaders immediately responded by saying the claims were offensive and would hurt efforts to promote ecumenism.
Roman Catholic- Anglican relations are already strained over the Church of England's plans to ordain homosexuals and women as bishops. The claims came in a document, from a Vatican watchdog which was approved by the Pope.
It said the branches of Christianity formed after the split with Rome at the Reformation could not be called churches "in the proper sense" because they broke with a succession of popes who dated back to St Peter.
As a result, it went on, Protestant churches have "no sacramental priesthood", effectively reaffirming the controversial Catholic position that Anglican holy orders are worthless.
The document claimed the Catholic church was the "one true church of Christ".
Pope Benedict's commitment to the hardline teaching comes days after he reinstated the Mass in Latin, which was sidelined in the 1960s in an attempt to modernise.
The timing of the announcement fuelled speculation that the pontiff - regarded as an arch-conservative before his election in 2005 - is finally beginning to impose his views on the Catholic Church.
The Vatican said it was restating the position set out by the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger in 2000 in a document called Domine Jesus because theologians continued to misunderstand it.
At that time, Anglican leaders from around the world made their anger felt by snubbing an invitation to join Pope John Paul II as he proclaimed St Thomas More the patron saint of politicians.
Bishop Wolfgang Huber, head of the Evangelical Church in Germany, said the Vatican document effectively downgraded Protestant churches and would make ecumenical relations more difficult.
He said the pronouncement repeated the "offensive statements" of the 2000 document and was a "missed opportunity" to patch up relations with Protestants.
You are right. Science doesn't have all the answers, yet. Still a scientifice guess is better than religious dogma ^_^
Coming from an atheist ex-momron, I am not sure how to take that, or even if I want to figure out how to take it. :)
I am not sure I do either. Where did I say that?
The Book of Mormon record shows that he visited the America’s after his resurrection.
haha.. I have NO clue where that came from! I was just replying to your comment that was in italics. And at first I didn’t know why you typed it. So I went back to my post and was suprised to see it there. I do not remember reading it, I know that I did not type it, I do not remember seeing it on the post preview!! Weird...
I understand, but those things are not the reasons Catholicism does not recognize Prot. denominations as Churches. The Orthodox don't exactly like our formulation of those ideas either (BTW 3 is still very up for debate and I particularly don't like it very much), and yet they are considered proper Churches.
Where the rubber meets the road is, as jude24 very astutely said above, sacramental theology. Catholics believe that the sacraments were instituted by Christ to dispense grace among the faithful. The Church is where the sacraments are. Where they do not exist in their true fulness, there cannot be the Church.
When you good folks hear us say that though, (and please correct me if I am mistaken), you hear that phrase as a total denial that you are Christian at all. Because you view the Church as an invisible institution solely of those who have believed in Christ.
It is very important for non-Catholics to view this document in terms of *our own* ecclesiology, and not any one else's. We go by the sacraments, not just a sinner's prayer. And note well that we recognize one of your sacraments (Baptism) as valid...so we are forced to recognize that there is some element of the Church among you, even if the other sacraments are not.
It was Christ who sent the flood.
He would know.
He was there.
You weren't.
Wow, that is irrefutable logic ^_^ ROFLMAO
How did the Koala bears make it to Noah's Ark?
So what do you pretend to be? : )
I stand corrected. Thank you.
John Paul II affirmed this same point many times.
Indeed. Either Noah and the ark is a true story or Christ is a liar.
Which is it?
I am a seeker of truth. Most people call me an atheist ^_^
I also like to poke fun at Fundamentalist Born Agains, who attack other religions.
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Ever heard of Ishmael?
116 posted on 07/11/2007 7:57:40 AM MDT by LeGrande
Abram became Abraham Abram became Abraham when Elohim breathed into Abram Sarai became Sarah Sarai became Sarah when Elohim breathed into Sarai See the letter : Hey Ishmael was born to Abram, when Abram was in the flesh, before Elohim breathed the Ru'ach HaKodesh into him. Isaac was born to Abraham and Sarah after Elohim breathed the Ru'ach HaKodesh into both of them. So even if Muslims are descendants of Ishmael, Ishmael did not worship the Elohim of Abraham. A study on the breath of Elohim:
b'shem Yah'shua
the Ru'ach HaKodesh as indicated by the "HEY" at the end of his name.
the Ru'ach HaKodesh as indicated by the "HEY" at the end of her name.
There are 30,000 Christian sects. So far and counting. That’s probably fewer than other major religions.
Claud, where the rubber meets the road is Jesus saying that those who worship must worship in Spirit and in Truth.
Those who teach obvious, made-up UNTRUTH cannot be the true Church, no matter if they’ve got sacramental theology coming out their ears, complete with real-life, true splinters from the actual Golgotha cross itself and the factual, actual Holy Grail to drink from.
Human lineage is of no importance. Props are of no importance. SPIRITUAL, TRUTHFUL worship is what matters. The RC FLUNKS the test with a number of things, the most egregious being: assumption, immaculate conception, and coredemption of Mary.
For all his vaunted, entirely too opulent status, Pope Benedict is an empty vessl, “pontificating” foolishness, traditions of men, and UNTRUTH.
So, then, you concede Osama bin Laden’s brand of Islam is just as much the one, true religion as the Anglicans?
in answer to the posters
That's the difference between a Christian and a Catholic...
Maybe I need another cup of coffee. I'm not understanding how you connect the two
Or do YOU need another cup of joe
Poke less.
FRegards,
Why wait? LOL
You've never met my family, have you?
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