Posted on 07/10/2007 8:57:47 AM PDT by f150sound
LORENZAGO DI CADORE, Italy - Pope Benedict XVI has reasserted the universal primacy of the Roman Catholic Church, approving a document released Tuesday that says Orthodox churches were defective and that other Christian denominations were not true churches.
In the latest document — formulated as five questions and answers — the Vatican seeks to set the record straight on Vatican II's ecumenical intent, saying some contemporary theological interpretation had been "erroneous or ambiguous" and had prompted confusion and doubt.
It restates key sections of a 2000 document the pope wrote when he was prefect of the congregation, "Dominus Iesus," which set off a firestorm of criticism among Protestant and other Christian denominations because it said they were not true churches but merely ecclesial communities and therefore did not have the "means of salvation."
"Christ 'established here on earth' only one church," the document said. The other communities "cannot be called 'churches' in the proper sense" because they do not have apostolic succession — the ability to trace their bishops back to Christ's original apostles.
Oh well, this oughtta give the Mormons a break from the stone-throwing for a little while. ;-)
You are overreacting here dear friend.
The Church is only saying as it always has -that protestants are communities of believers and many of them are attached to the Catholic Church through valid Baptism and such. We view them as our separated brothers and sisters in Christ but not full members of the Church,thus we do not call their churches a church but rather a community of believers. There can only be ONE true Church
This is from the Vatican document Dominius(hope this helps)
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html
The Church is the “universal sacrament of salvation”, since, united always in a mysterious way to the Saviour Jesus Christ, her Head, and subordinated to him, she has, in God’s plan, an indispensable relationship with the salvation of every human being. For those who are not formally and visibly members of the Church, “salvation in Christ is accessible by virtue of a grace which, while having a mysterious relationship to the Church, does not make them formally part of the Church, but enlightens them in a way which is accommodated to their spiritual and material situation. This grace comes from Christ; it is the result of his sacrifice and is communicated by the Holy Spirit”; it has a relationship with the Church, which “according to the plan of the Father, has her origin in the mission of the Son and the Holy Spirit”.82
As for Latin, maybe in today's world where many parishes have Spanish and English and Vietnamese Masses all at different times, it would make sense to have everyone together united under the official language of the Church.
Homilies are given in the local vernacular. Readings as well. But really, you can (and should) have read the readings before Mass. And if you can't say "Amen" to a prayer you can't understand, perhaps you should consider looking at the translations.
It's not like in the 1950s people had no idea what was going on. They had Missals with Latin on one page and English on the opposite.
I guess everyone is a Mormon these days... LOL... all you Mormon haters, I told you many think of you in the same ilk.....
HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Try reading the passages both wideawake and I (and others) have posted. I'll wait.
They clearly indicate that the Church believes that all baptised Christians (of any denomination) are joined to the One Church.
Looks like the Pope is the one throwing the stones in this case. But I’m sure somehow the Freeper RC’s can manage to make themselves into the “victims” (as usual) whenever anyone dares to question this garbage.
Maybe God will forgive them anyway ;)
How is defining the word "church" and then classifying various groups according to the definition "throwing stones"?
The church is the body of Christ. It is not a building, it is not a sect, it is not any particular RELIGION. The Church of Christ are the BELIEVERS who, regardless of which BUILDING, or NOT BUILDING, in which they worship Him. The Pope is WRONG.
I find it offensive that an organization as Anti-Semitic as the RCC claims exclusivity as being the only true church.
NO CHRISTIAN can be an Anti-Semite or Anti-Zionist , and certainly no organization which purports to be sole legitimate indwelling of the Holy Spirit would do such acts.
The Jews are God’s People.. God’s Holy Spirit would not be leading the charge in killing them.
No.. the RCC is not some special apple in God’s eye.. the Israelis are.
And the rest of us, through Israel , come to learn of God and receive our grace just as all people do,... via faith in God alone.. BECAUSE NO ONE IS WORTHY (via works) by other means... NOT ONE.
“Correct. The Roman Catholic Church, founded by Jesus Christ, is not under human control - it is a divine institution guided by God”
Right.. a divine institution by God would not an Anti-Semitic or Anti-Zionist institution.
I don’t see how I interpret that differently. The Church’s one true foundation is Jesus Christ her Lord. That’s fairly basic Christianity. Of course the Apostles went forth to build the Church by “making disciples of all nations”. That doesn’t mean Peter was in charge of them all. In fact the Holy Spirit was in charge. It is worth noting that at the Council in Jerusalem, chronicled in Acts of the Apostles, James chaired the meeting, not Peter.
The answer to that should be obvious to even you, SD.
bttt!
Shame on you dumbass. My dad died 2 weeks ago so shut your mouth about him.
So what happens to people who dont have access to the magic priesthood? Say, stranded on an island. How do they get grace since there’s no priest around? Do the rules suddenly change? Gee.. that’s rather arbitrary to me.
Jesus came to smash the intermediaries and interlopers between the believer and God the Pharisees and here comes the RCC to put the middle guy back in business.
Disgraceful.
And still is...if only people will ALLOW HIM to be in their own lives.
Regarding the Latin Mass....
The thing you need to remember is that it is NOT replacing the Mass you are used to.
It is going to offered in certain churches within Dioceses that want to offer it.
There is a lot of traditional Catholics who want it back.
Dear Friend, put your mind at ease. You will still have the regular mass that you like to go to.
I wish you a Blessed day!
The “this” was the eating of the Passover meal.. Passover was/is a prophecy for Jesus’ death.. thus from that time onward those who recognized what was happening would continue the Biblical feasts (not the invented Catholic ones) with new understanding.
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