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To: bobjam
the 1066 until 1582, the English people struggled against Roman control (Henry II, the Magna Carta, Edward I, the Acts of Praemenire, the Hundred Years War, the Acts of Restraint in Appeals and Supremacy, the Elizabethan Settlement and the Spanish Armada).

No, all of those events that you listed are the royalty/nobilty struggling against other countries, indirectly with the Pope at the most. The people of England were loyal Catholics, even at the time of Henry VIII. Why do you think there was a Rising of the North?

84 posted on 06/19/2007 7:50:13 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480

Henry II struggled with the Roman Church over whether the clergy were subject to civil courts for civil crimes.

The first clause of the Magna Carta affirms the freedom and independance of the Church of England. This was a repudiation of King John’s submission to Pope Innocent III.

Henry III surrounded himself with Italian advisors who looted English estates for the benefit of Rome. The barons and commons revolted and forced Henry III to get rid of them in order to keep his throne.

Edward I abolished the practice of bishops in foreign lands owning English estates for the benefit of their foreign aristocratic patrons. He also established a legal code that accomplished much of what Henry II fought for in terms of the clergy. One could reasonably claim that Edward I did nearly as much to curb the power of foreign bishops in England than Henry VIII.

The Hundred Years War pitted the English against the French, who held the Pope in Avignon.

The Northern Rebellion was one of several attempts to overthrow Elizabeth I. The perpetrators of it and of other conspiracies (some of which were Protestant) were rounded up and executed for treason. Given the half-hearted “Pilgrimage of Grace” snuffed out by Henry VIII, it is safe to say that the English people were not terribly attached to the Pope.


94 posted on 06/19/2007 9:22:54 AM PDT by bobjam
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