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To: 1000 silverlings
You folks who claim to know Scripture should actually try reading it and make sure you don't rely on an abridged heavily edited version of the original either when you're attempting to make an argument. You're inability to understand that there is a distinct difference between the Ministerial Priesthood and the common presthood is quite telling.

"For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and shouldest ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee:" Titus 1:5

"And when they had ordained to them priests in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, in whom they believed." Acts 14:22

"For every high priest taken from among men, is ordained for men in the things that appertain to God, that he may offer up gifts and sacrifices for sins:" Hebrews 5:1

"Neglect not the grace that is in thee, which was given thee by prophesy, with imposition of the hands of the priesthood." 1 Timothy 4:14

"And indeed they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is to say, of their brethren: though they themselves also came out of the loins of Abraham." Hebrews 7:5

"Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in the priests of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord." James 5:14

"Be you also as living stones built up, a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ." 1 Peter 2:5

" Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood" Acts 20:28

"Paul and Timothy, the servants of Jesus Christ; to all the saints in Christ Jesus, who are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons." Philippians 1:1

"A faithful saying: if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work." 1 Timothy 3:3

"Deacons in like manner chaste, not double tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre:" 1 Timothy 3:8

137 posted on 06/16/2007 4:01:00 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham; 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg
You folks who claim to know Scripture should actually try reading it and make sure you don't rely on an abridged heavily edited version of the original either when you're attempting to make an argument. You're inability to understand that there is a distinct difference between the Ministerial Priesthood and the common presthood is quite telling.

"For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and shouldest ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee:" Titus 1:5

"And when they had ordained to them priests in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, in whom they believed." Acts 14:22

Perhaps you could tell us just what version of the Bible you are using there? You see The Holy Bible published by The Catholic Press 1950 uses the word "presbyters" in all those verses you listed --- not "priests". You need to find and quote an honest translation.

138 posted on 06/16/2007 4:56:58 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; Dr. Eckleburg; Uncle Chip; fortheDeclaration
The Hebrews reference is of Jesus and the Levitical priesthood done away with. There is a new priesthood in town, the priesthood of all believers. We may have pastors, teachers, elders in the church to see that all things are done orderly.

We know what a high priest is, we have one in Jesus. We don't need men pretending to be Jesus interceeding for us, or offering up "the divine victim".

Here's a bible passage you mightlike to read

Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

7:17 For he testifieth , Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

7:20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)

7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:

7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever , hath an unchangeable priesthood.

7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

7:27 Who needeth not daily , as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

Our great high priest is perfect, what do we need of yours. The daily sacrifices were cut off there is none. The Catholic church made up it's own traditions that have nothing to do with the bible or the work of Jesus

144 posted on 06/16/2007 8:32:23 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; 1000 silverlings; Dr. Eckleburg; Alex Murphy
You folks who claim to know Scripture should actually try reading it and make sure you don't rely on an abridged heavily edited version of the original either when you're attempting to make an argument. You're inability to understand that there is a distinct difference between the Ministerial Priesthood and the common presthood is quite telling.

There is NO provision for priests in the new church. The priest was a type of Christ and He became both priest and sacrifice.

Put down the false Catholic translation and read with me . "For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and shouldest ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee:" Titus 1:5

Tts 1:5 ¶ For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee:

From the latin vulgate

huius rei gratia reliqui te Cretae ut ea quae desunt corrigas et constituas per civitates presbyteros sicut ego tibi disposui Jerome's Latin Vulgate 405 A.D.

presbyteros

a term of rank or office a) among the Jews

1) members of the great council or Sanhedrin (because in early times the rulers of the people, judges, etc., were selected from elderly men)
2) of those who in separate cities managed public affairs and administered justice
b) among the Christians, those who presided over the assemblies (or churches) The NT uses the term bishop, elders, and presbyters interchangeably

"And when they had ordained to them priests in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, in whom they believed." Acts 14:22

Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, [and] exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
Act 14:23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

"For every high priest taken from among men, is ordained for men in the things that appertain to God, that he may offer up gifts and sacrifices for sins:" Hebrews 5:1

LOL, that is referring to the JEWISH Priesthood that Jesus came to fulfill

The book of Hebrews explains why the priesthood was destroyed, that was its purpose

Hbr 9:9 Which [was] a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

Hbr 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: '

"Neglect not the grace that is in thee, which was given thee by prophesy, with imposition of the hands of the priesthood." 1 Timothy 4:14

1Ti 4:14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

"And indeed they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is to say, of their brethren: though they themselves also came out of the loins of Abraham." Hebrews 7:5

This is about the JEWISH priesthood, not the new church and the tithes Abraham gave to Melchisedec,

"Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in the priests of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord." James 5:14

Jam 5:13 ¶ Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.
Jam 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
Jam 5:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.
Jam 5:16 Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

"Be you also as living stones built up, a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ." 1 Peter 2:5

My friend you have a real problem rightly dividing the word of God. This is to new believers. This is about the priesthood of the believer.

1Pe 2:1 ¶ Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings,
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1Pe 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord [is] gracious.
1Pe 2:4 ¶ To whom coming, [as unto] a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, [and] precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe [he is] precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, [even to them] which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
but [are] now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

What did Peter consider himself?

1Pe 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

" Take heed to yourselves, and to the whole flock, wherein the Holy Ghost hath placed you bishops, to rule the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood" Acts 20:28

1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti 3:3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
1Ti 3:4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
1Ti 3:5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

Does that sound like your Bishops?

episkopos

1) an overseer
a) a man charged with the duty of seeing that things to be done by others are done rightly, any curator, guardian or superintendent
b) the superintendent, elder, or overseer of a Christian church

"Paul and Timothy, the servants of Jesus Christ; to all the saints in Christ Jesus, who are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons." Philippians 1:1

No mention of a priesthood here, only the roles outlined in the NT..

"A faithful saying: if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work." 1 Timothy 3:3 "Deacons in like manner chaste, not double tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre:" 1 Timothy 3:8 Act 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, [and] exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. Act 14:23 And when they had ordained them elders in every church, and had prayed with fasting, they commended them to the Lord, on whom they believed.

For a review

The role of Priest was never one outlined in the New Testament. The role of priest was a foreshadow of Christ as king and Priest and Lamb. Once Jesus fulfilled His task the priesthood was no longer needs as we have a High Priest in heaven that offers sacrifices for us

God destroyed the Jewish priesthood in 70 AD as the type was fulfilled

In Greek the word for Priest is hiereus

1) a priest, one who offers sacrifices and in general in busied with sacred rites

a) referring to priests of Gentiles or the Jews,
2) metaph. of Christians, because, purified by the blood of Christ and brought into close intercourse with God, they devote their life to him alone and to Christ

The title priest was never listed in the roles for the new church

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

NO Priest as the perfect Lamb had been slain

You need a proper bible

165 posted on 06/16/2007 12:33:23 PM PDT by ears_to_hear
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