Posted on 06/11/2007 8:06:18 AM PDT by ZGuy
I would not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. This is not because I think he is a bad person, or that Mormons in general are evil people - quite the contrary. Most are very “nice” people. In fact, I do not think we could find a more outwardly decent person for president in this country than Mr. Romney.
So what is the problem?
The problem is that Mitt Romney is a Mormon, more, he is a Temple Mormon, and Mormonism is a very aggressive cult, a deceptive religion that leads people to eternal separation from Jesus Christ of the Bible. I ought to know. I used to be a Mormon.
In terms of the secular effects upon government, the public should also be aware that Mormomism’s blood-oaths bind Mitt Romney to obey the Mormon Church in Salt Lake City above the Constitution, above US law, and, yes, above the Christian and Jewish understanding of God. We’ve heard Romney argue that this is all the same bum wrap they laid on Jack Kennedy in the sixties. But it’s not. It’s not the same at all. Here’s why.
A US president with no definite religious beliefs, or a membership in some mainstream Christian denomination, may not have influence that could effect the eternity of individuals, but a man with deep-rooted cultic beliefs would persuade millions of the credibility of Mormonism, especially when taking into consideration that the LDS Church has a nearly sixty thousand strong missionary force. They could and would use President Romney as ”bait” for an introduction into Mormonism, not only in the United States, but around the world.
That’s point number one: does the “In God We Trust” Republic want Mormon missionaries to be the new face of America? Our ambassadors to the world? Picture:
Knock, Knock! “The President thinks Jesus is the brother of Satan – have you heard? Yes, until 1978 the President thought all black people were cursed of God, and could not hold the Mormon priesthood, but no, now he doesn’t believe that any more. Why? Oh, because pressure was put on the Mormon Church to change their teachings on that matter. And their “prophet” got a new “revelation” from his god. It allowed blacks into the priesthood – but nothing else changed. Yes, according to Mormon scriptures, black skin is still a curse from god! That’s the eternal word, don’t you know? But don’t worry. It won’t interfere with the Justice Department…”
The majority of people in this country, as well as elsewhere, are not familiar enough with Mormonism to be able to separate it from traditional Christianity – after all, the buzzwords sound the same. But are they? All Black skin a sign of a curse from God?
The Mormon Church does not believe in the same Christ as biblical Christianity. But even though Mormon President Gordon B. Hinckley, the head guy in Salt Lake City, has said publicly that he does not believe in the Christ of Christianity, Mitt Romney claims Mormonism does. I saw this over and over again while I was a Mormon – there is a systematic deception of the public about what the cult actually believes.
Al Sharpton and the rest of the American public may not know that Mormonism uses all the Christian terms…but that it has given to all of them a totally different meaning. Sharpton probably also may have gotten some vague answers that seemed to speak of the same beliefs, but in reality those compared beliefs are not even close. And Mormon belief, far from being just the private business of a person’s own conscience, has very public consequences for all of us if they reside in the highest office in the land.
Had Sharpton been told the truth, he would have learned that the God of the Mormon Church is not Eternal God of the Bible. He is a creation of Joseph Smith, made after his image.
“God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man…I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea…you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves…the same as all Gods have done before you… until you attain to the resurrection of the dead and are able to dwell in everlasting burnings…” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 345-347.)
The Christ I know has always been God, will always be God, and his goal for me is to avoid everlasting burnings, not learn to live in them.
When I was a member of the Mormon Church, they taught me that Jesus Christ was the brother of Lucifer, the devil of Hell, and they still teach that. The Jesus of Mormonism was not begotten by the Holy Ghost, but was the natural physical offspring of an exalted former human being; a ‘god’ who had physical sexual intercourse with Mary.
That’s about as far as you can get from the Virgin Birth.
Are evangelical Christians going to support Mitt Romney’s candidacy if they know more about his beliefs? I sincerely hope not.
Mormonism comes to American Christians preaching “another Jesus”. This is a “Christ” that wasn’t born of a virgin, isn’t the eternally pre-existent Creator, has no inherent supremacy above any average Joe except for what “god” supposedly “earned”, and is allegedly equal in origin to Satan.
My fellow Americans, there could not possibly be a more anti-Christ theology in existence.
I can say with emphasis, as a former Mormon, and as a Christian today, it is without conscience for a Christian to vote for Mitt Romney for President of the United States.
To those more concerned with secular matters, I wish to point out that Mitt Romney’s religion is important if things like consistency, character, duplicity, the rule of law, and constitutional authority…are important.
Consider. Romney knows he’s not a Christian; the President of the Mormon church said so. Yet Romney consistently deceives people about this fact on the campaign trail. He says he believes in Jesus Christ! Jesus Christ who? If your religious beliefs are sincerely your own private business, then here we have someone’s private business causing them to be deceptive in public life. That’s just not OK for the President of the United States. If it was his mutual-funds that were causing him to lie in public about his private affairs, you could see it perhaps more clearly. But it makes no difference. If he’s lying, he’s lying.
But worse, for those who do believe in God, and Romney is supposed to, Romney is playing around with eternal matters…all to get votes.
And that’s supposed to be OK too?
Mitt Romney and Mormons in general maybe nice people as people go, but electing him President would influence millions positively for the Mormon Church - millions who do not know what Mormonism teaches about God, Jesus and salvation. The identity of America since our founding has been Judeo-Christian with all denominations of Christianity and Judaism being present from the earliest stages. The Christian faith is 2000 years old and has formative history in the USA since Jamestown. The Jewish faith is many thousands of years older and the influence of the Jewish Scriptures and people on the USA are also foundational. But Mormonism is a cult founded by polygamists who died in a gun fight, one of which was wanted as a con man in New England, less than two centuries ago. Is that the new ideological face “we the people” wish to represent us to the world? Does religion really “not matter” that much? There is a difference between tolerating your Mormon neighbor and electing him the President…with his finger on the nuclear button.
Only the most faithful of Mormons are eligible to enter a Mormon temple. Mitt Romney is in that elite group - he is a temple-card holding Mormon. I can tell you that not only is he planning on his own godhood after this life, but he has also taken oaths in a Mormon temple to put the LDS church above all else. His oath in the temple was to “consecrate himself, his time, talents, and everything he now has, or will have in the future, for the building up of the Kingdom of God here upon the earth, and for the establishment of Zion”.
It is important to know and understand that the ‘Kingdom of God’ to a Mormon, is not at all the same as the Kingdom of God to a Christian. To a Christian, the phrase means throwing the goodness and love of God into the world wherever you go and sharing the truth with others. But to a Mormon, building the ‘Kingdom of God’ means advancing the physical earthly organization of the Mormon Church in Salt Lake City, Utah. That multi-billion-dollar business entity is part of the conglomerate Mitt Romney was referring to when he took that oath. And he cannot talk about that oath, or what goes on in a temple, because of the pact of absolute secrecy.
People who haven’t been under the pressure of the cult don’t understand. They think it all sounds like being afraid of Kennedy responding to the Pope in Rome. No my friends. It’s just not like that. JFK was not even an active, practicing Roman Catholic, nor was he under oaths to protect and promote Vatican City above all else. But Mitt Romney is a temple-Mormon, a former LDS bishop. Nominal believer in a real religion versus all out devotee to a cult…makes a difference.
Governor, we saw Jack Kennedy: We knew Jack Kennedy’s religion; Governor, you're no Jack Kennedy.
Romney’s oath to consecrate himself means that he would have to do all that his church leaders ordered him to do, even if the US Government and her interests were in opposition to the wants and desires of the Mormon Church. And while the Roman Catholic Church or the varieties of Protestant Christianity do not have political theocracy built into their doctrine, Mormonism absolutely does.
And this political aspiration is dangerous. The LDS scriptures show all other churches and their professors (believers) are abomination to God. While Christians may assume that Mormons would deal with “abominations” in the same way that Christians do (i.e. preach the truth and leave the rest up to God) Mormons definitely don’t do that. Please remember September 11th.
On September 11th 1857, the Mormon leadership ordered the massacre of 120 California-bound settlers from Arkansas. After a first attack failed, the Mormons brokered a cease-fire with the settlers, persuading them to lay down their guns. Then the Mormons fell on them and murdered every man, woman, and child over 8-years of age. The leader of the massacred was none other than Brigham Young’s adopted son, a Mormon bishop, John D. Lee. He personally authorized and carried out the mass-murder along with other Mormon leaders from the area. The justification? The men, women, and children massacred were abominations, infidels.
That sounds too much like Osama bin Laden’s religion for my taste, thank you.
Romney, as a temple-card holding Mormon, accepts and believes non-Mormons are “abominations”, whether he admits it or not to his voters. But consider these politics: Joseph Smith was, in a secret ceremony of his council of fifty, “ordained as the King to rule and reign over the House of Israel forever.” Joseph Smith was also a candidate for presidency. And Smith made a prophecy concerning the elders of the Mormon church, saying they must save this country’s government and the world.
September 11th, 1857 is not too long ago.
Here is a last disturbing thought. It’s hardly the absolute last – you could fill books with the alarming oaths and political pacts of Mormons. But think about this:
Mitt Romney’s grandfather swore an oath against the United States of America. The oath said, “You and each of you do covenant and promise that you will pray and never cease to pray to Almighty God to avenge the blood of the prophets upon this nation, that you will teach the same to your children and to your children’s children unto the third and fourth generation.”
So Mitt Romney was taught what?
I don’t know about you, but I expect most American grandfathers were working to build this nation, not making blood-oaths of vengeance on behalf of their pastors against the stars and stripes.
This oath was discontinued 80 years ago – like so many of the objectionable Mormon doctrines when they come out into the light of day. But Mitt Romney’s grandfather, great grandfather and great-great grandfather have all sworn that oath. Is that American?
Generations of Romney’s forefathers swearing blood-vengeance against the United States of America? And family oaths to avenge blood against the nation have no meaning when selecting a man to put his finger on the launch-button? We forget: hundreds of millions of lives will be at the mercy of this man, this President of the United States. Who are we picking here?
Let me ask you one last thing. If Satan were a good looking man, running for office, and he said that anyone who was against his religion was just, you know, a religious bigot, would that argument hold water with you?
It’s perfectly OK to ask what’s in the religion.
And it’s perfectly OK to vote for someone else if that religion is deeply wrong.
That is what I said.
So answer this: Since the bible states unequivocally that the powers that be are ordained of God, how is it possible that Clinton could get to be the most powerful man on earth for 8 years without God ordaining him to that position?
Do you think God preordained what you had for breakfast this morning, or did you think you had a choice?
I see you did not answer the question. Paul says that the powers that be are ordained of God. Do you disagree with Paul?
Do you think God preordained what you had for breakfast this morning, or did you think you had a choice?
Both.
I think that passage has an underlying implication that the pwers he refers to are legitimate and are ruling in an honorable way.
If I am wrong on that, you’d have to conclude that government officials who commit crimes should not be prosecuted. Doesn’t God hate evil?
ROFL!!!!! You should be Catholic, FRiend ... you sure answered that question like one.
He shouldeither be a Catholic, but I think he is a Calvinist.
Wrong. In a practical sense, I am probably more Calvinistic than most Calvinists, but I am not a traditional Calvinist as I do not rule out God's foreknowledge as being instrumental in election, nor do I believe that the focus of the atonement was specific to the elect and not to the world.
That being said, I recognize that NOTHING occurs on this earth that has not been foreordained by God. NOTHING.
That gives me comfort. Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for thou art with me.
There you go.
It was a serious response. It was an honest response. It was the correct response.
You did err. First you said they were removed, then you said they were changed. They don't mean the same thing, in case you didn't know.
You also seem to believe the secret ceremony of the LDS Temple to be changeable.
You're the one making that claim, not I. Are you now saying the blood oaths were neither removed nor changed? Make up your mind.
LOL!
Hey, great response. :::rolls eyes:::
But of course. It was also the exact word I would use to answer such a question. Your elaboration on that answer is very similar to one I would give. I find that interesting and refreshing.
I don’t see how yu can reconcile your position with:
Joshua 24:14-16 (New International Version)
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14 “Now fear the LORD and serve him with all faithfulness. Throw away the gods your forefathers worshiped beyond the River and in Egypt, and serve the LORD. 15 But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your forefathers served beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.”
16 Then the people answered, “Far be it from us to forsake the LORD to serve other gods!
I have no idea what you are trying to say.
You can vote for your preacher or better yet Hillary. I will stick with the issues. I’m more interested in high gas prices and terrorist attacks than your disgruntled view of the Mormon church! Get a life.
You joined today to tell me off for something somebody else wrote? Nice way to introduce yourself to FR.
“There are a lot of things in the history of each religion. Because something was part of the church in 1990, does not make it viable for today.”
It does matter when the church is a Restorationist group that claims to be the “only true church on the face of the earth” and the church “founded by Christ and his apostles”, which is what the LDS (mormons) believe.
It matters when the changes are in Temple ceremonies, supposedly given BY GOD to Joseph Smith as containing all of the “signs and tokens” required to get into the Celestial Kingdom, which is necessary for each male member to become a god themselves.
If, as Mormons claim, they have the ETERNAL gospel, then major changes in the most important ceremony (the Temple Endowment) are big, VERY big.
I think it may be well for the writer of this article to consider the counsel given in Acts 5:35-40. There is a fear that if Mitt Romney becomes president a lot of people will lose their souls. To that I reply, as a Calvinist, that God will save those he has elected to save, and those that he has not elected to save, will perish- Mitt Romney or not. God has all power, and he wants to use Mitt Romney as a tool to carry out his purposes, it will happen and if he doesn’t want it to happen, it won’t happen. But to me, this is a political matter. I like his views on immigration, abortion, taxes, and especially families. Most of the problems in our society can be traced to a breakdown in family life including education, welfare, health care, drug abuse, etc. When you compare Mitt Romney with Hillary Clinton on this issue, there is a stark contrast.
I would also add the opinion that there will be more souls lost under a Clinton administration than a Romney administration.
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