Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: markomalley
OK, now you've done it twice.

I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to, but I will assert again the non-Scriptural basis of the RCC eucharist. It has more in common with sorcery than with the Bible.

Think about it, a select group of hand-picked priests control a key religious symbol by performing an incantation complete with a magic spell. The object of this incantation magically, but not apparently or even measurably, changes into another substance that holds sway over the eternal souls of all people.

This is not an ordinance of God, but a control method of men.

19 posted on 06/10/2007 7:31:26 AM PDT by pjr12345 (But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? James 2:20)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies ]


To: pjr12345
I'm not exactly sure what you're referring to, but I will assert again the non-Scriptural basis of the RCC eucharist. It has more in common with sorcery than with the Bible.

If you actually read the scriptures I cited -- twice -- mind you, you'd see what you, as a Bible-believing Christian, should do about those of us, like us Catholics, who persist in speaking (or posting) heresy (at least in your opinion).

So you've done your Biblical duty. Any more posting on this thread by you is going against scripture.

Or do you not really believe that the Bible is the Word of God???

Or is it that you only feel obliged to follow the scriptures that you 'feel like' following at one point in time???

Act scripturally...

20 posted on 06/10/2007 7:40:45 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies ]

To: pjr12345; ears_to_hear; P-Marlowe; 1000 silverlings; blue-duncan; Alex Murphy; HarleyD; N3WBI3; ...
Think about it, a select group of hand-picked priests control a key religious symbol by performing an incantation complete with a magic spell. The object of this incantation magically, but not apparently or even measurably, changes into another substance that holds sway over the eternal souls of all people.

Excellent summary!

As further proof of the alchemy, at a certain point in the elevation of the eucharist the bread and wine morphs into Jesus Christ's body and blood. Below that specific point, grocery store. Above that specific point, divinity.

All during His ministry, Christ spoke against this type of mysticism. Instead, He preached simple faith in Him as our sin-bearer, the propitiation of our sins.

"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36

I found this terrific review of a booklet written by Calvin I hadn't heard of before --

ON SHUNNING THE UNLAWFUL RITES OF THE UNGODLY
by John Calvin

"...I dare say that we have been gravely deceived if we think that the Roman Catholic Church as an institution has changed substantially since the 16th century. Recently I had the opportunity to observe a Roman Catholic mass on television and what I saw taking place there was the very same accursed idolatry spoken of in our Heidelberg Catechism. Moreover, as I read John Calvin's little booklet, it was as if I was reading a commentary and description of what I had observed. The false Roman Church of Calvin's day is the false Roman Church of our day.

Though written so many hundreds of years ago, this small work by the powerful Geneva Reformer contains much of value for us. Calvin wrote it to persuade a friend to leave the Roman Catholic fold. His friend had written to him and asked whether it was possible to remain a member of the false church while inwardly being of Reformed convictions. At that time, there was a large group of people in Reformation Europe, referred to as Nicodemites (after the Pharisee Nicodemus of John 3), who were in prestigious positions, and for whom conversion to the Reformed faith would mean disaster in terms of social consequences. Such people could lose their family, their incomes, and even possibly their lives. It was one of these Nicodemites who had written to Calvin wondering what he should do. The question is phrased this way in the Translator's Introduction: "Is it lawful for a person who has renounced Popery in his heart to conform outwardly to its rites, for the purpose of avoiding persecution, or for any other imaginable cause?"

In the 64 pages of this minute tome, Calvin gives his reasons why his correspondent should remove himself immediately from fellowship with the Roman Church. Calvin's arguments are completely founded on Scriptural grounds, as we would expect. He outlines why the Roman Catholic Church is a false church and why true Christians can have nothing to do with the blasphemies and idolatries found within. Even being in the presence of the mass can give the appearance to others of conformity to sin against the second commandment. Calvin describes Roman Catholic worship and the Mass and argues "that those only preserve the holy religion of God who profane it by no defilements of unhallowed superstitions, and that those violate, pollute, and lacerate it, who mix it up with impure and impious rites" (pp.17-18)...

HEIDELBERG CATECHISM

QUESTION 80: What difference is there between the Lord's supper and the popish mass?

ANSWER: The Lord's Supper declares to us that our sins have been completely forgiven through the one sacrifice of Jesus Christ which he himself finished on the cross once for all.^1

It also declares to us that the Holy Spirit grafts us into Christ,^2 who with his very body is now in heaven at the right hand of the Father^3 where he wants us to worship him.^4

But the Mass teaches that the living and the dead do not have their sins forgiven through the suffering of Christ unless Christ is still offered for them daily by the priests.

It also teaches that Christ is bodily present in the form of bread and wine where Christ is therefore to be worshiped.

Thus the Mass is basically nothing but a denial of the one sacrifice and suffering of Jesus Christ and a condemnable idolatry. --

(^1 John 19:30; Heb. 7:27; 9:12, 25-26; 10:10-18

^2 1 Cor. 6:17; 10:16-17

^3 Acts 7:55-56; Heb. 1:3; 8:1

^4 Matt. 6:20-21; John 4:21-24; Phil. 3:20; Col. 3:1-3)

QUESTION 95: What is idolatry?

ANSWER: Idolatry is having or inventing something in which one trusts in place of or alongside of the only true God, who has revealed himself in his Word.^1 -- (^1 1 Chron. 16:26; Gal. 4:8-9; Eph. 5:5; Phil. 3:19)


32 posted on 06/10/2007 9:50:10 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies ]

To: pjr12345
It has more in common with sorcery than with the Bible.

OK, that's just blasphemy.

46 posted on 06/10/2007 12:31:01 PM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies ]

To: pjr12345

<<”I’m not exactly sure what you’re referring to, but I will assert again the non-Scriptural basis of the RCC Eucharist. It has more in common with sorcery than with the Bible.

Think about it, a select group of hand-picked priests control a key religious symbol by performing an incantation complete with a magic spell. The object of this incantation magically, but not apparently or even measurably, changes into another substance that holds sway over the eternal souls of all people.

This is not an ordinance of God, but a control method of men.”>>

With the foregoing statement you have just about thrown/taken out the “Acts of the Apostles” from scripture. Is not the “Acts” basically discussing the Church? Isn’t St Paul travelling around establishing and correcting Churches. Sort of what a Bishop would do in his diocese. Are you saying that Paul and Barnabas and Luke were liars and that the scripture is written by magicians? You have questioned the Holy Spirit by unwarranted and untrue statements!

Pope John Paul states it perfectly:

“In the Acts of the Apostles, the Evangelist Luke points out essential criteria for a correct understanding of the nature of the Christian community and hence, also of every parish, where he describes the first community of Jerusalem whose members were devoted to the Apostles’ teaching and fellowship, to the ‘breaking of bread and the prayers’: a welcoming, supportive community ready to share everything (cf. 2: 42; 4: 32-35).


151 posted on 06/11/2007 8:10:03 AM PDT by franky1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson