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To: HarleyD; markomalley; ears_to_hear

 markomalley: I am confused, though, why you assume that John 6:64-65 would be problematic for a Catholic? Of course, God knew before the foundation of the world who would be saved and who would not be saved.

HD: According to Augustine, this is the definition of Pelagianism.

...Let us, then, understand the calling whereby they become elected,—not those who are elected because they have believed, but who are elected that they may believe.

That is not what the Church taught. What the Holy Catholic Church (East and West) taught everywhere and always is

There is no "guesswork" when it comes to God's foreknowledge. But His foreknowledge does not take away our free will which was clearly given to us in the Garden of Eden.

 

160 posted on 06/11/2007 9:27:48 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

Kosta,

Is the text of the Council of Jerusalem online? I’d be curious to read it at greater length if it is available.


164 posted on 06/11/2007 10:07:44 AM PDT by GCC Catholic (Pray for your priests and seminarians...)
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To: kosta50

Why would God NEED to predestine those He already perfectly knew would come?


220 posted on 06/11/2007 6:30:45 PM PDT by ears_to_hear
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