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To: PetroniusMaximus

Not at all...I studied at a good Conservative Christian college in Tennessee, and the professors were excellent. You just have to be objective when studying the text, which does not come easily to most good Christian folks and makes discussing scripture from a historical contextual basis extremely difficult.


44 posted on 05/21/2007 6:00:02 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

"You just have to be objective when studying the text, which does not come easily to most good Christian folks ..."

I feel like I am fairly objective in this.

Please look at the following.

1 Thess.

For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage o­ne another with these words.

and

2 Thess

Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. Let no o­ne deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work. o­nly he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way. And then the lawless o­ne will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming. The coming of the lawless o­ne is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.


First passage clearly describes a rapture.

Second passage makes it clear that before the Lord's return there will be a general rebellion or apostasy - then the "man of sin" is revealed. This is the anti-christ, who the Lord will destroy at his return.

To believe Nero in the Antichrist you would have to believe Jesus returned in the first century.

Nero may have been an "antichrist" - of which there are many according to John, but he could not have been the Antichrist proper.

109 posted on 05/21/2007 11:12:03 AM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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