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To: Dr. Eckleburg; TomSmedley; PetroniusMaximus; xzins
Partial or historic preterism is the same belief that has been taught and preached and understood for 2,000 years -- Christ rules from Heaven today and the only path to salvation is by His name.

"For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. " -- Col. 1:16020

Sorry, Doc, but I see nothing in these verses about Jesus currently reigning from the Throne of David over the earth, as Preterism alleges to be currently going on. Over the hearts of those who trust in His Word --- Yes --- but not physically yet. Over the hearts of those who don't trust in His Word and don't want Him to reign over them from Jerusalem as that Word says --- Not at all.

Do you have anything else that we can take a look at, or is this the best that Preterists can come up with???

How about that oft-quoted Preterist verse I Corinthians 15:20-28????

Oh --- wait a minute --- that can't be used by the Preterists because that reign will be physical and is still future. It won't be established until after "his coming" [per verses 15:23-24].

Well keep looking.

387 posted on 05/27/2007 6:10:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip; HarleyD
The plan of salvation is the same for the Jew as it is for the Gentile -- believe and be saved.

"He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me." -- Luke 10:16

Dispensationalism has concocted an enormous tapestry of deflection for geopolitical gains.

Frankly, I've never spoken to another Christian in real life (other than this internet forum) who actually believes Christ does not reign today from heaven. At first glace, it's really a preposterous proposition. And it never gets any saner. Thankfully, dispensationalism is a minority opinion in Christianity and, God willing, it, too, shall pass.

391 posted on 05/27/2007 11:40:18 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Uncle Chip; Dr. Eckleburg; TomSmedley; PetroniusMaximus; xzins
Sorry, Doc, but I see nothing in these verses about Jesus currently reigning from the Throne of David over the earth...Do you have anything else that we can take a look at

I'm not sure what Dr. E has provided but Christ was given the throne of David.

I'm with Dr. E; I have never heard any Christian say that Christ was not reigning. And, according to the above verses, Christ has been given a throne already. If you believe in a physical resurrection, then Christ must be physically reigning. If He is physically reigning, He has been given a throne. If He's been given a throne, He's reigning from the throne of David.

I doubt if He's hold up in some Orlando timeshare.

397 posted on 05/27/2007 1:03:24 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Uncle Chip; Dr. Eckleburg

when only FACTS are listed, preterism loses hands down.

preterism is built on an extremely shaky foundation of conjecture and opinion.


409 posted on 05/27/2007 7:21:30 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain And Proud of It! Those who support the troops will pray for them to WIN!)
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