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To: Uncle Chip
James says “After this I will return ...”. When did Jesus return????

Amos's prophecy is in the first person singular of YHWH.

Therefore it is improper to insist that the "return" be the "return" of the second person of the Godhead, especially since the first coming had not even been mentioned yet in the verse. As you know, "return" can mean a variety of things in the scriptures. The most obvious is "return to me, and I will return to you." That clearly makes the most sense here, as the obvious meaning in Amos is that God judges, and then returns with his presence and restores. A mark of this restoration is the raising up of the tabernacle of David and the ruling of Israel over the Gentiles. As we have covered about 800 times so far, the plain common sense meaning of the scripture is that James considered this prophecy to be fulfilled in the coming of the Gentiles to faith.

I have no idea how you came up with some second coming of Christ to the earth from this passage. You are REALLLLLLYYY reaching, here. I am still waiting for an explanation of why the church missed this for 1800 years.

290 posted on 05/24/2007 11:32:47 AM PDT by DreamsofPolycarp (Ron Paul in '08)
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To: DreamsofPolycarp
Amos's prophecy is in the first person singular of YHWH. Therefore it is improper to insist that the "return" be the "return" of the second person of the Godhead,

Says who??? One of your misguided professors. That is a lot of hogwash. Anyway the words: "after this I will return and" are James' words, not Amos's.

especially since the first coming had not even been mentioned yet in the verse.

And why does it need to be mentioned at all??? More hogwash. Is that what you learned in Bible College --- call them up and ask for your money back. It doesn't have to be in the verse. It is understood by the meaning of the word "return". You can't "return" to a place unless you have already been there before.

I have no idea how you came up with some second coming of Christ to the earth from this passage. You are REALLLLLLYYY reaching, here. I am still waiting for an explanation of why the church missed this for 1800 years.

The church that had and read and believed their Bibles did not miss it. They've known it all along. But those who think that the sun rises and sets on the mantles of those who teach the Bible but really don't believe it can be easily misled into misunderstanding the plain and simple and straight-forward meaning of words and passages therein.

298 posted on 05/24/2007 12:18:05 PM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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