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To: NYer
shot down amid the rubble of a ruined city

Was PJII shot in a "ruined" city?

3 posted on 05/11/2007 1:47:14 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Rodney King

>>Was JPII shot in a “ruined” city?<<

Kind of.
It’s being built again with B16.


5 posted on 05/11/2007 1:57:54 PM PDT by netmilsmom (To attack one section of Christianity in this day and age, is to waste time.)
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To: Rodney King

Here is the 3rd secret.
“J.M.J.

The third part of the secret revealed at the Cova da Iria-Fatima, on 13 July 1917.

I write in obedience to you, my God, who command me to do so through his Excellency the Bishop of Leiria and through your Most Holy Mother and mine.

After the two parts which I have already explained, at the left of Our Lady and a little above, we saw an Angel with a flaming sword in his left hand; flashing, it gave out flames that looked as though they would set the world on fire; but they died out in contact with the splendour that Our Lady radiated towards him from her right hand: pointing to the earth with his right hand, the Angel cried out in a loud voice: ‘Penance, Penance, Penance!’. And we saw in an immense light that is God: ‘something similar to how people appear in a mirror when they pass in front of it’ a Bishop dressed in White ‘we had the impression that it was the Holy Father’. Other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious going up a steep mountain, at the top of which there was a big Cross of rough-hewn trunks as of a cork-tree with the bark; before reaching there the Holy Father passed through a big city half in ruins and half trembling with halting step, afflicted with pain and sorrow, he prayed for the souls of the corpses he met on his way; having reached the top of the mountain, on his knees at the foot of the big Cross he was killed by a group of soldiers who fired bullets and arrows at him, and in the same way there died one after another the other Bishops, Priests, men and women Religious, and various lay people of different ranks and positions. Beneath the two arms of the Cross there were two Angels each with a crystal aspersorium in his hand, in which they gathered up the blood of the Martyrs and with it sprinkled the souls that were making their way to God.

Tuy-3-1-1944”.

http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:d0cKPPpbiyYJ:www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html+3rd+secret&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


6 posted on 05/11/2007 2:36:13 PM PDT by fatima (Free (((Hugs))) today.)
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To: Rodney King
Ruined City -- just look at the persecutions of the Church when Pope John Paul II was pope (and during the 20th Century...

There were quite a few martyrs in the church during the Papacy of Pope John Paul II.

Additionally, there were many vocations lost to the Catholic Church after Vatican II (priests, sisters, brothers).

One only need to read The Miracle of Hope about the life of Francis Xavier Cardinal Nguyen van Thuan to see the persecution in Vietnam, let alone other places such as Africa, the Middle East, China, and in the Soviet Union (under Communist rule).

Reading the story of Josyp Terelya of the Ukraine can give one the sense of persecution in the Soviet Union...

As for Pope John Paul II, there is one red square (where the assassination attempt occurred on his life) in Saint Peter's Square at the Vatican. Seminarians from the North American College point this out to visitors when they give tours...

30 posted on 05/12/2007 7:10:52 PM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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