Posted on 04/17/2007 8:44:15 PM PDT by Terriergal
Capital offenses. 8~)
Yup, that's the blaspheming part I wrote about. You might as well say I want to pray to dead aunt Mabel rather than Jesus Christ. This also gives godlike powers to people like Mormons do. Hopefully, we will hear more about becoming gods of our own planets with many wives when the presidential race gets further along.
It all has to do with a skewed view of what the Bible says and what some churches tell people. To come to Christ, one must understand who He is. I've had dozens of conversations with people that come up with the most cockamamie ideas about why praying to a statue or a picture is Biblical, but they can't ever give me chapter and verse. One of the reasons Jesus came to Earth was to destroy the "traditions of men". You can't just make up some mumbo jumbo and call it God's Will. He was quite specific in who to pray to and how to pray. He even specifically said don't pray the same prayer over and over again and you can go to any Catholic church and get 10 "hail Mary's and a couple of "Our Fathers." This stuff is basic Christianity 101. I can't believe they read the Bible and don't pick up on this. I also bring up the fact that you can travel to some church in Timbuktu and pray over some hank of hair or a pile of bones and not even know for sure you are praying over the right hank of hair or bones. Praying to dead people gives me the willy's just thinking about it.
No admonition intended.
I'm done here and I'm done with this kind of thing. I have rarely seen anything so despicable.
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The ignorance of Catholcism displayed on this thread is mind boggling.
Indeed it is. But I’m glad that I have found out about it. Before I began reading FR Religion Forum I didn’t know. Now I do. I’m no longer ignorant about it.
Well, at least the last line in this post is right.
Educate us.
Is the wafer God?
I see it’s time for me to leave this forum.
Throw me some links Q.
John 6 does it for me.
Maybe everyone should read this, it will put things in perspective more:
http://mexfiles.wordpress.com/2007/04/17/clash-of-civilizations-in-chiapas-village/
I’ve concluded the same thing. But I’m wondering what you mean and where you are coming from.
As for me, this forum has lost any meaning. It is, by and large, a bully pulpit for antagonists against the Catholic Church. As a Catholic, I see this as a waste of precious time for me—time being the one thing that I can never have back if I have wasted it.
**I believe that the article itself is suspect. It is written like a tabloid, there is no other voice than the purported victims, real news sources don’t write that bad in Mexico. You might not have thought it was bashing anyone but just check this story out on the web, it is being used as a recruitment story for Evangelicals.**
Exactly why I didn’t come on the thread until someone called me to it.
I do. I was in Mexico a few years ago. I was shown a small shrine where the local people will put money, locks of hair, fingernail clippings, etc, all as sacrifice to god. What is in the center of the shrine? Mary. Off in one corner was a small cross and a figure of Christ, but everything in the shrine pointed to Mary and glorified Mary, not our Saviour Jesus Christ.
2 Timothy 3:
[16] All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,
I believe that thought is still valid and though the Bible has gone through many iterations the essential truth is still there.
As for minor and major mistakes; I believe that a bunch of men, doing the best they could, and being burdened with the customs of their time, disdain for women among them, sifted through many good books and arrived at a consensus. I don't believe they were perfect but I do believe Scripture is "profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness...".
You must know I have evolved from a Catholic who never read the Bible, to a rather conservative Protestant who was introduced to Scripture for the first time and believed all the answers were contained therein, to a Unitarian who accepts (mostly) the Bible but admits I really don't know diddle.
The short answer to your question is, I don't know.
I think the argument as regards the inefficiency of translation to be a bit of a conceit. I'm not saying that's your motivation, O.R. Just giving my 2cents worth here.
I know two languages pretty well, and I love to translate from Italian into English because English is so much less a dogmatic language that it allows me a fullness in translation that I have much less of when translating from English into Italian. But even so, when I visit Italy my relatives go ga ga over my Italian. They ask me, 'where did you learn to speak like that?' What they're hearing is English thought in the Italian language.
Now I don't know about Greek to English but some of the sticking points when arguing for the inefficiency of translation aren't that impressive because they don't seem to be resolvable by a better word. For instance, that Jesus had brothers. I guess brothers and cousins are interchangeable in Greek when addressing one or the other. The only way to solve that riddle is to be able to consult the person who wrote it, no?
I am not a linguist but I do know the oldest New Testament Scripture we have was written in Greek which does have distinct words for "brother" and "cousin". So yes, there are different words for brother and cousin in Greek.
Aristar'chus my fellow prisoner greets you, and Mark the cousin of Barnabas (Colossians 4:10)
Those who insist Jesus had no brothers will claim the original was probably written or spoken in Aramaic which has no word for cousin. Too bad no Aramaic writings from that period exist. :-)
Actually I don't see how this article clears up imprisoning evangelical Christians.
Sometimes my capacity to be all things to all people falls far short.
Well, denial about the quality of the article is somewhat predictable given the strength of certain biases.
However, the Christianity Today editor is top flight.
Further, there was a confirming additional article from another source later in the thread.
But we understand, facts don’t make any difference.
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