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To: the808bass
Are you saying that the Church chose what books are in the Canon? They had that kind of power? To decide what God said? Or did they maybe accept what God had given to them as Scripture? You might think I'm splitting hairs. I do not think so.

Allow me to quote the following (from a non-Catholic source, btw):

Third Council of Carthage (A.D. 397).

The Third Council of Carthage was not a general council but a regional council of African bishops, much under the influence of Augustine. The English text below is from Metzger.

Canon 24. Besides the canonical Scriptures, nothing shall be read in church under the name of divine Scriptures. Moreover, the canonical Scriptures are these: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua the son of Nun, Judges, Ruth, the four books of the Kings, the two books of Chronicles, Job, the Psalms of David, five books of Solomon, the book of the Twelve [minor] Prophets, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Tobias, Judith, Esther, the two books of Ezra, and the two books of the Maccabees. The books of the New Testament: the Gospels, four books; the Acts of the Apostles, one book; the epistles of the apostle Paul, thirteen; of the same to the Hebrews, one epistle; of Peter, two; of John the apostle, three; of James, one; of Jude, one; the Revelation of John. Concerning the confirmation of this canon, the Church across the sea shall be consulted. On the anniversaries of martyrs, their acts shall also be read.

There are writings pointing to a synod at Hippo in 393 that made the first pronouncement of the canon, but I haven't been able to find the actual quote.

In answer to your specific questions:

But the fact remains that the writings were originally written as separate works and that those works were gradually accepted as inspired over a period of little more than 300 years. By whom? By the Catholic Church. And, in 393, they codified the list into what is known as the Canon. Again who? The Catholic Church.

512 posted on 03/05/2007 3:31:43 AM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: markomalley
I think you're closer here.

So do I. But then it doesn't allow Catholics to make the fun argument that "if it wasn't for us, you wouldn't have a Bible." Which not all Catholics argue, and I must confess that I might think the same argument fun if I were a Catholic myself. Obviously, the Church played a huge role in preserving the Word of God for us today. Of course, God would have preserved His word one way or another. But it is worth our Protestant thanks to the Church for its work in preserving the Canon.

762 posted on 03/05/2007 7:54:35 PM PST by the808bass
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