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To: Mad Dawg
More Scripture to ignore ...

Catholicism and Scripture:
The Roman Catholic Church Compared to the Bible

Here's one example:

In addition to the Bible, Catholicism also follows tradition and the decrees of the Pope and church councils as religious authority.
"Did God intend that the Bible alone should be the guide to salvation? No, because certain things in the Bible can be misunderstood, and because the Bible does not have everything God taught" - Catechism, p. 51.

"Do we get from the Bible alone all our knowledge and certainty about what God has told us? No, there is also Sacred Tradition … What is tradition? The Word of God handed on to us by the Apostles in their preaching and by their successors in the church to the present day … Do you have to believe in tradition? Yes … we are obliged to accept all the truths contained in the Bible and Tradition…" - Catechism, pp. 9,10.

"Council … assemblies of the rulers of the Church legally convoked, for the discussion and decision of ecclesiastical affairs … The decrees of general councils have no binding authority till confirmed by the Pope … The infallibility of general councils so confirmed follows from that of the Church…" - Dictionary, pp. 227-230.

"Does Jesus require us to follow the Pope in matters of religion? Yes, because obedience and loyalty to the Pope are among the chief requirements of Our Lord's plan for unity … Can the Pope make an error when teaching religion? Not when he is speaking solemnly (ex cathedra) as head of the church. Then he has that special protection from error which God gives as a spiritual safeguard for all the members of the church" - Catechism, p. 56.

But the Bible teaches:
1. The original apostles received all the truth we need to guide us to eternal life, and they wrote this down in the Scriptures (John 16:13; 2 Pet. 1:3; Acts 20:20,27; Matt. 28:20; I Cor. 14:37; 2 Tim. 3:16,17).

2. The teachings of these inspired writers can be understood by the common people. We do not need official interpreters to understand the word, but we should use the word to check out the teachers! (Mark 7:14; 2 Tim. 3:16,17; John 20:30,31; Acts 17:11; Psa. 119:105)

3. We displease God when we follow tradition or church laws or any human standard as the source of authority for the church (Matt. 15:1-14; Col. 2:8; Gal. 1:6-9; Prov. 14:12; 2 John 9-11; Jer. 10:23).

OOdles more of falce Catholic teachings exposed here:

http://www.biblestudylessons.com/cgi-bin/gospel_way/catholicism.php

Reading through this would be a wiser use of your time rather than "napping and feeding your animals" GEESH!


http://www.biblestudylessons.com/cgi-bin/gospel_way/catholicism.php
333 posted on 03/04/2007 3:13:46 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh
OOdles more of falce Catholic teachings exposed here:

Do you seriously think that I have not considered these verses?

YOu may not understand the phrase "random scripture generator". It arose because a certain militant protestant would repeat the same excerpt from Isaiah over and over and over and over and over again. Now this was fine if this person meant to "count coup" and gain honor among her anti-catholic friends. But it didn't make any difference to her interlocutors because we had read the same excerpt and reached a different conclusion.

SO now you haul out the same old tired verses which show to Protestants that they are right to despise us but which do not make any impression on us because we've read them a hundred times before, thought about them, (NOT ignored them, as you falsely charge) and decided that they reach their fulfillment in the Church which we hold (YMMV) was founded by our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.

What is your evidence that I ignore these Scriptures? If you have none, why do you say I ignore them while professing to speak the truth? You keep shooting, and yet not a round reaches us.Check your sights.

And by the way: I always labor under the suspicion that people who are so sure I'm wrong that they don't even try to understand what I think are really more interested in control than in anything else. When somebody who shows no signs of interest in me or my opinions uses as an almost opening conversational gambit the suggestion that I go hunt around a bunch of scriptural citations to find out how wrong I am, I just, well, enjoy my sabbath rest. Not only do you want to show yourself superior and therefore entitled to insult and slander, you want me to do all the work! Forget about it!


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360 posted on 03/04/2007 4:37:28 PM PST by Mad Dawg ("Now we are all Massoud.")
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To: nmh
Reading through this would be a wiser use of your time rather than "napping and feeding your animals" GEESH!

Are you seriously suggesting that I ought not to enjoy the Lord's day and that I ought not to feed those animals which depend on me for their sustenance? Because some person does not take the trouble to understand my religion but does take the trouble to attack it, therefore I should make myself uncomfortable and starve my animals? Is that really your contention? And if not, then why say it?

410 posted on 03/04/2007 5:58:39 PM PST by Mad Dawg ("Now we are all Massoud.")
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To: nmh
Once more before I quit for the next few days: "Did God intend that the Bible alone should be the guide to salvation? No, because certain things in the Bible can be misunderstood, and because the Bible does not have everything God taught" - Catechism, p. 51.
WHAT catechism are you quoting from/ I turned to page 51 of my copy of the Catechism and found NOTHING LIKE what you are quoting!

Second question: What web site did you get this information from? I have news for you. It's wrong!

Third question: where does Matthew 15:1-14 refer to the Catholic Church. And I'll give you the answer: Nowhere! In fact it is a traditional Protestant interpretation to assume that when Jesus condemns the Pharisees He is somehow also condemning the Christian Church. To call our traditions "traditions of men" is (a)to condemn the Bible, since it is a tradition of ours a thing we "handed across" the generations, and (b) to assume what you set out to prove. And consequently, it may impress your friends, but it is a circular argument to us, and therefore not persuasive. You guys argue like Muslims.

In fact, you guys have your traditions and you guys depend on your traditional interpretations of Scripture. But we do not think we are Pharisees. The Pharisees were a faction of Jews who rejected Jesus. That does not describe us.

The interesting question is why you think it does.

427 posted on 03/04/2007 6:27:31 PM PST by Mad Dawg ("Now we are all Massoud.")
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