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To: Mad Dawg
So everyone in Purgatory is assured that they are going to Heaven. By definition, therefore, they are not already in Hell.

And where is that written??? Is that another one of those heresies invented by Origen that he brought into the church from pagan religions? Do you believe it because the Catholic Magisterium says it is true? Where is the word for "Purgatory" in the Scriptures??? Heaven is there. Hell is there. But Purgatory is noticeably absent?

2,251 posted on 03/28/2007 5:54:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Uncle Chip! YOU are changing the subject! YOU said people in Purgatory are in Hell. That was all I was addressing.

As for Provenance, I suspect that the doctrine was found as a prize in a Cracker Jacks box in the Coliseum. I've ssen both doctrine and carcker Jacks boxes AND I've seen a picture of the Coliseum! Happy now? I expect to see this theory up on one of those sites, and I'll be happy to submit it to one of my professors who will testify to my academic acumen but decline to speak either way on the Cracker Jacks theory -- and that will be take as proof that I am right!

Cool! Come back next week and I'll share my theory on the origen, uh, oriGIN (that's right - gin had plenty to do with it) of the Infield Fly Rule.

2,252 posted on 03/28/2007 6:25:27 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Tactical shotty, Marlin 1894c, S&W 686P, Sig 226 & 239, Beretta 92fs & 8357, Glock 22, & attitude!)
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To: Uncle Chip

Biblical support for Purgatory is well documented in various sites. I'm not sure that a further listing of them would be any further enlightening than it has been in the past.

By definition, Purgatory is a process, not a place. It is the process whereby one is cleansed before being admitted to Heaven. Therefore, souls undergoing Purgatory will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.


2,254 posted on 03/28/2007 6:49:13 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (When you believe in nothing, then everything is acceptable.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Where is the word for "Purgatory" in the Scriptures??? Heaven is there. Hell is there. But Purgatory is noticeably absent?

I'm reading an interesting book "The History of Christianity", by Paul Johnson. He makes an interesting observation, that during the dark ages cathedrals were built by the wealthy from tax collection and were used for prayers to have the rich pardoned from purgatory. Apparently the practice became so corrupt, churches built on the backs of the poor for the benefit of the rich, that the laity were well disposed towards reform.

2,278 posted on 03/28/2007 11:29:05 AM PDT by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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