[markomalley]

Not that it matters but I'm fairly confident that you're mistaken about the Lutherans and I know you're mistaken about the Anglicans.

OK. As I said earlier, I don't pretend to be an expert on protestant theology.

[Mad Dawg]

Oh yes. I wasn't strutting my stuff or lifting my immense learning (You, in the back. Yes, YOU! Stop laughing!) up at your expense. I just figured you'd be interested.

You know what orthodox belief is like? It's like jumping in at the deep end before you know you can swim. As I look now, it seems like all these other guys are just afraid to claim the miracle. I know there self-concept differs, it's just what it looks like to me.