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To: Uncle Chip
Do you have a problem reading the entire article in the encyclopedia, or do you think that through repeating it again and again you will cause it to stand out from the rest of the article?

Please note yet another paragraph in the article:

In opposition to this distinct and unanimous testimony of early Christendom, some few Protestant historians have attempted in recent times to set aside the residence and death of Peter at Rome as legendary. These attempts have resulted in complete failure. It was asserted that the tradition concerning Peter's residence in Rome first originated in Ebionite circles, and formed part of the Legend of Simon the Magician, in which Paul is opposed by Peter as a false Apostle under Simon; just as this fight was transplanted to Rome, 80 also sprang up at an early date the legend of Peter's activity in that capital (thus in Baur, "Paulus", 2nd ed., 245 sqq., followed by Hase and especially Lipsius, "Die quellen der römischen Petrussage", Kiel, 1872). But this hypothesis is proved fundamentally untenable by the whole character and purely local importance of Ebionitism, and is directly refuted by the above genuine and entirely independent testimonies, which are at least as ancient. It has moreover been now entirely abandoned by serious Protestant historians (cf., e.g., Harnack's remarks in "Gesch. der altchristl. Literatur", II, i, 244, n. 2). A more recent attempt was made by Erbes (Zeitschr. fur Kirchengesch., 1901, pp. 1 sqq., 161 sqq.) to demonstrate that St. Peter was martyred at Jerusalem. He appeals to the apocryphal Acts of St. Peter, in which two Romans, Albinus and Agrippa, are mentioned as persecutors of the Apostles. These he identifies with the Albinus, Procurator of Judaea, and successor of Festus and Agrippa II, Prince of Galilee, and thence conciudes that Peter was condemned to death and sacrificed by this procurator at Jerusalem. The untenableness of this hypothesis becomes immediately apparent from the mere fact that our earliest definite testimony concerning Peter's death in Rome far antedates the apocryphal Acts; besides, never throughout the whole range of Christian antiquity has any city other than Rome been designated the place of martyrdom of Sts. Peter and Paul.

I could easily repeat the section I quoted before, but I'll not insult the other readers' intelligence through repetitiveness.

As to the Schaff article, even this non-Catholic source states as its closing sentences for this section: It seems most probable, on the whole, that Peter died a martyr's death in Rome toward the close of Nero's reign, some time after the cessation of the general persecution. Absolute certainty is, however, unattainable.

Your statement,

1,532 posted on 03/09/2007 5:32:02 AM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus CINO-RINO GRAZIE NO)
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To: markomalley
You are right, the Schaff Herzogg there does seem to stand by the 25 year episcopacy of Peter, though it does so in a round about way, without presenting any evidence. It just makes statements out of the clear blue sky, and rather than presenting facts of his supposed visit there, it just discounts those who link his visit there to Simon Magus.

They seem to forget that it was Eusebius who linked the 25 year venture of Simon Peter in Rome to Simon Magus who also had a 25 year religious episcopacy there which was more of an established certainty than Peter's, particularly as we peruse the writings of Justin Martyr and Irenaeus who have more to say about Simon Magus and the religion that he left behind than anything about Peter.

1,541 posted on 03/09/2007 6:34:31 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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